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Politician=criminal pos.

Laura Jane ➽ Politician=criminal pos.

Verifiable and provable.

Unassailable Facts

The facts presented in this section are unassailable, yet I have had mentally enslaved humans attempt to deny that certain facts are actually facts.

Facts exist that directly contradict and refute the standing lies of the Consensus Reality and the Ruling Class that created the Consensus Reality.

I have numbered these facts just in case some brainwashed moron wants to display their lack of thinking ability.
Fact 1: Your coming into existence, your creation, did not give you ownership of me. YDOM: You Don't Own Me.

Your creation did not give you any authority over me. Your creation did not give you a right to rule me, a right to control me, or a right to govern me in matters that are none of your business. Matters that are your business will be addressed later.

Likewise and in parallel:

Fact 2: My coming into existence, my creation, did not give me ownership of you. IDOY: I Don't Own You.

My creation did not give me any authority over you. My creation did not give me a right to rule you, a right to control you, or a right to govern you in matters that are none of my business. Matters that are my business will be addressed later.

These facts also apply to a third entity that is neither you nor me. This third entity is a human just like you and me:

Fact 3: A politician or a police person coming into existence, a politician's or a police person's creation, did not give that politician or that police person ownership of any other human. TDOU: They Don't Own Us.
A politician's or a police person's creation did not give that politician or that police person any authority over any other human. A politician's or a police person's creation did not give a politician or a police person any right to rule any other human, a right to control any other human, or a right to govern any other human in matters that are none of the politician's or the police person's business. Matters that are a politician's or a police person's business will be addressed later.

Facts 1, 2, & 3 in short: YDOM; IDOY; TDOU. You Don't Own Me; I Don't Own You; They Don't Own Us.

Fact 4: What one does not have can not be delegated or given to another. What does not exist can not be delegated or given to another.

Fact 5: I can not give you the keys to my neighbor's car if I don't have them. I can not give you the right to use my neighbor's car if I don't have a right to delegate such permission. And I certainly can not give the keys to you if they don't exist.

Fact 6: A Voter can not delegate or give to any politician that which the Voter does not have. What can not be delegated or given to a politician is ownership of another human; a right to rule, a right to control, or a right to govern any other human. A Voter can only delegate to any politician a right to rule, control, and govern... Themselves.

In short no voter can delegate authority over any other human. This point of logic lays bare a lie propagated by Consensus Reality and the Ruling Class about your alleged right and duty to vote.

If you and I are equal, then I do NOT have a right to rule you. Since I do NOT have a right to rule you, I do NOT have a right to make laws you are required to follow. The present erroneous Consensus Reality ignores this fact
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Fact 7: Government is an imagined concept just like Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, and Easter Bunny are. These imagined concepts need non-imaginary humans to act for these imagined concepts: to leave children's presents under the tree; to hide the eggs; to take the teeth and leave the money.

Fact 8: Government, just like the previously listed imagined concepts, has no will to act, nor hands to do action. Government is an imaginary concept that only exists in the minds of those who confuse the concept with an actual physical thing. Humans acting as if they are Government do exist. To help you remember and understand this, just replace the word Government with Santa Claus whenever you see it.

Fact 9: What humans pretending to be (Santa) do... is lie about (Santa). What humans pretending to be Government do... is lie about Government.

Continues here with text formatting to assist in showing the points and facts:
https://naturallawmatters.net/Unassailable-Facts.html

Dale Eastman 💯 Also, I didn’t come with a user manual stuck up my patootie and neither did anyone else. So stop imposing your made-up laws and rules on me!

Yes. I accept your invitation to discuss these laws and rules you claim I ordered you to obey.

Please copy-paste the laws and rules you claim I ordered you to obey.

lawlessness and vigilante Justice? Interesting… I prefer facts, evidence and actual justice.

➽ I prefer facts, evidence and actual justice.

Me too.

Schooling: What you have become accustomed to

When the Ruling Class makes rules about what others should read, that's clearly an attempt to make others think and believe what the Ruling Class wants inculcated in the minds of the Ruled (Slave) Class. In a word, Brainwashing. You've not been taught how to think. You've been taught what to think. Scratch that. You've been taught what to regurgitate on demand. How could you know that what you've been indoctrinated to believe is bad logic or lies if you've never observed good logic and truth for comparison?

A well known point is that the earliest things learned are the hardest things to unlearn. I'll just gloss over the concept of these next two words: Truancy Laws. Give your children to the Ruling Class for free public schooling, or be punished (harmed) by the Ruling Class a.k.a. the Government or State.
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The putrid rot that now passes for schooling is meant to program what to think, not how to think. If a human is taught how to think, then that person would recognize the contradictory ideas they were taught to think (believe). For example; The corrupt schooling system does not focus on these three topics (as presented) so the logic of these presentations are never examined for veracity:

If all were created equal, then none can have a right to rule another.
Rulers and Leaders are NOT the same. The meaning of Leader has been corrupted. A voter is not voting for a Leader. Voting does NOT elect a leader. Leaders do not need laws that allow them to send goons with guns to harm other humans for their refusal to follow or obey the elected Rulers. Voters elect rulers from the choices presented by the Ruling Class.
Anarchy literally means No Rulers. The meaning of Anarchy has been corrupted to mean chaos, violence, and antisocial actions.
https://naturallawmatters.net/Accustomed-To-The-Forms.html

Dale Eastman without a government to provide the small protection we have, religious theocracies would actually enslave us all.
Like this isn’t just some possibility, it is an actuality.
Look at what they already preach.

➽ Dale Eastman without a government to provide the small protection we have, religious theocracies would actually enslave us all.

Your belief in government is actually a religious belief as well.

My evidence and proof of this is your willful failure to address the points I posted. So being the pedantic asshole I am, I'm placing them in front of you again. And then some more. Numbered to keep track of willful ignorance.

If all were created equal, then none can have a right to rule another.
❶ Admit or deny?

Rulers and Leaders are NOT the same.
❷ Admit or deny?

A voter is not voting for a Leader. Voting does NOT elect a leader.
❸ Admit or deny?

Leaders do not need laws that allow them to send goons with guns to harm other humans for their refusal to follow or obey the elected Rulers.
❹ Admit or deny?

Voters elect rulers from the choices presented by the Ruling Class.
❺ Admit or deny?

When the Ruling Class makes rules about what others should read, that's clearly an attempt to make others think and believe what the Ruling Class wants inculcated in the minds of the Ruled (Slave) Class.
❻ Admit or deny?

➽ religious theocracies would actually enslave us all.
Like this isn’t just some possibility, it is an actuality.

§7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax
Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.

The Federal Government will fine $25,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.
❼ Admit or deny?

Government will harm you if you don't pay it.
❽ Admit or deny?

Government forces people to pay it taxes.
❾ Admit or deny?

A slave is a human whose owner's free will overrides the slave's free will.
❿ Admit or deny?

Q. If taking 100% of someone's labour and free will is slavery, at what percentage is it NOT slavery...?
A. 0%
𝟙𝟙 Admit or deny?

I just spent way to much time answering about half these questions… then I realized this is an absolute straw man bullshit I’m not gonna waste my time with.

1. I don’t answer yes no questions.
2 you literally go on a giant ruler “im an edgey anarchism’s that doesn’t wanna pay taxes” tangent.

So ya im not gonna waste my breat any further with someone who’s entire position is that there should be no government. I get it, you hate government. Your position will never change, so please spare me the torture of reading your same old tired arguments.
We get it, I promise you. We get it. You think you are superior to everyone who supports government.
Now please fuck off. Your thought process is boring, tired, over used and entirely devoid of the reasoning for law.

Me:
Scrolls up.
Checks group.
"Identified Thinkers 2"
Scrolls down.
Ponders CG's fear of answering my probing questions.

Speculation: CG having read all the questions now knows to answers will expose him as an emotional non-thinker.

➽ 1. I don’t answer yes no questions.

Translation: You don't like being tied down to one point at a time.

➽ So ya im not gonna waste my breat any further with someone who’s entire position is that there should be no government.

For an alleged thinker, your willful ignorance of what government actually is, as presented in my questions... Coward afraid to have your beliefs exposed as the indoctrinated BS that it is.

➽ then I realized this is an absolute straw man bullshit

An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated.

A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.

You apparently have no clue between a straw man and a potential thread hijack.

You wrote:
➽ I prefer facts, evidence and actual justice.

I gave you  facts, evidence and proof of government INjustice. Were you lying when you said you prefer facts and evidence?

➽ Your position will never change, so please spare me the torture of reading your same old tired arguments.

Arguments with question marks that you refuse to answer.

➽ We get it, I promise you. We get it.

Did you get permission from each member of this group of "we" to speak / write for them?

Who, specifically, is this We, other than you?

➽ Your thought process is boring, tired, over used and entirely devoid of the reasoning for law.

What is law?

Dale Eastman boring- straw man. Nty

I'm not interested in a flame war with a bored dumb fuck pretending to be a thinker.

Dale Eastman just screaming “they use force, which means they are evil people that wanna rule me” isn’t thinking.
Lol it’s literally the absence of thought.
It’s the thinking equivalent of being a pissed off teenager that doesn’t want a bedtime.

See you seen to forget I’ve had this same conversation with you at least 15 times over a 6 year period. It’s boring.

The anarchist movement hasn’t presented a new argument in like 5 decades. We get it dude, you guys don’t like government.
Your mindset isn’t new or developed from some new understanding.
It is the exact same boring argument it was back when I use to argue it.

It’s boring. God is it boring…you are literally just arguing the same tired boring point over and over and over. When someone doesn’t agree, they are a statist that likes to use force against people. Literally a gas lighting self righteous, I’m the moral superior person garbage…. For over 6 years I’ve had to read this garbage from you people.
I’m fucking done arguing it.
If you don’t like government, go find a fucking hole somewhere to create your own colony.

But the absence of a position isn’t worth my time.
This is the last message I will send in this regard.
Deuces

➽ I prefer facts, evidence and actual justice.

That statement is provably you lying to yourself.

My change in style to using "Admit or deny?" has proven very effective at winnowing out the chaff... The indoctrinated brainwashed emotional morons who have cognitive dissonance triggered by what I present.

Admit... or... Deny.

You just can not deny the numbered points I have presented because I have presented verifiable facts. If you did deny verifiable facts... So this exposes that you do NOT want to admit to the facts presented.

➽ Dale Eastman just screaming “they use force, which means they are evil people that wanna rule me” isn’t thinking.

You just implicitly denied that government uses force against its citizens.
𝟙𝟛 Admit or deny?

You just implicitly denied these three facts numbered 7,8,9.
𝟙𝟜 Admit or deny?

❼ The Federal Government will fine $25,000 or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution.
❽ Government will harm you if you don't pay it.
❾ Government forces people to pay it taxes.

You have just implied it's okay with you for people to use force against you.
𝟙𝟝 Admit or deny?

By the way... THIS IS SCREAMING IN TEXT MESSAGES. I haven't been online as long as you. I was a late adopter of using the internet. I didn't get my email address and net access until 1996. Please be gentle, I'm still a virgin.

➽ Lol it’s literally the absence of thought.

Since you allege that you are a "Identified Thinker" I'm sure you can find out what "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur" means.

➽ See you seen to forget I’ve had this same conversation with you at least 15 times over a 6 year period. It’s boring.

Since I'm a Boomer with CRS, I can't deny that claim.

I would appreciate you providing one link where you and I interacted. I only need one link and then I'll admit to 15 interactions. If you can find the link to the oldest interaction, that would be great.

➽ So ya im not gonna waste my breat any further with someone who’s entire position is that there should be no government.

You've got that concept stuck in your head such that you are being prejudiced and biased to the point that you are willfully ignoring the prior points.

➽ The anarchist movement hasn’t presented a new argument in like 5 decades.

The members of this anarchist movement all agree on one point: The actual meaning of anarchy: "No Rulers."
𝟙𝟞 Admit or deny?

You assume that I am a member of the anarchist movement.
𝟙𝟟 Admit or deny?

➽ We get it dude

You imply you are a member of this group of "We."
𝟙𝟠 Admit or deny?

You do not have specific permission from each of the other members of this group of "We" to write and speak for the group as if you are the group.
𝟙𝟡 Admit or deny?

➽ Your mindset isn’t new or developed from some new understanding.

My mindset started with the verifiable facts of the evil acts that members of government do.

You have yet to admit to the lessor evil acts of government.
𝟚𝟘 Admit or deny?

➽ It is the exact same boring argument it was back when I use to argue it.

You just implied that you "WERE" an anarchist.
𝟚𝟙 Admit or deny?

𝟚𝟚 Did you present the evils that members of government do?

➽ you are literally just arguing the same tired boring point over and over and over.

You just can not deny the numbered points I have presented because I have presented verifiable facts. If you did deny verifiable facts... So this exposes that you do NOT want to admit to the facts presented.

➽ Your thought process is boring, tired, over used and entirely devoid of the reasoning for law.

These are your words.
𝟚𝟛 Admit or deny?

Rule 301. Presumptions in Civil Cases Generally
In a civil case, unless a federal statute or these rules provide otherwise, the party against whom a presumption is directed has the burden of producing evidence to rebut the presumption.
Presumptions governed by this rule are given the effect of placing upon the opposing party the burden of establishing the nonexistence of the presumed fact, once the party invoking the presumption establishes the basic facts giving rise to it.

These words are contained within the titled rule.
𝟚𝟜 Admit or deny?

➽ When someone doesn’t agree, they are a statist that likes to use force against people.

You have neither admitted nor denied the verifiable facts I've presented. Failure to deny IS verification of the claim.
𝟚𝟝 Admit or deny?

➽ I’m fucking done arguing it.

Ignoring specific numbered points is admitting them per FRE301.
𝟚𝟞 Admit or deny?

Ignoring specific numbered points is NOT arguing them.
𝟚𝟟 Admit or deny?

So when Trump is spending the rest of his life in prison, are you tribalist gonna finally admit he’s a criminal pos, or are you gonna backfire effect and hold your beliefs harder?

Now I know why you refuse to answer my questions in that other thread. You're a communist lefty Votard. I had a discussion with another lefty in another group. It could have been with you, though I know it's not you.

Votard:
Last election we voted out evil, I would have voted for Mr Potato Head to get that gangster out of the White House.

Me:
No. You did not vote out evil. You voted for a different source of evil.

Votard:
nope, voted out evil, deal with it.

Me:
What, specifically, do you mean by the "evil" you voted out?

Votard:
🙄

Me:
You made the claim that you "voted out evil".
What, specifically, do you mean by the "evil" you voted out?
What did you vote out. Please be articulate in describing this evil.

Votard:
No, you know what I'm talking about. I dont explain the obvious to people, if you dont know then you're the problem.

Me:
You and I have bumped heads enough for you to know that I will not assume what another means when they use any particular word.
You, among other votards here, think I'm stupid and ignorant... So go with that. "Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do.
What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, & characteristics of this "evil" you claim to have voted out?
Why, specifically, do you think the other guy is evil incarnate and your guy is not?
As a Boomer, my life experience has taught me, when it goes without saying, or it is obvious, it NEEDS saying.
So lemme say something simple and obvious...
Your refusal to articulate what you mean, means you are NOT interested in bringing others to your beliefs and/or conclusions.
You claim I'm the problem and you are the one that refuses to explain what you mean.

Votard:
My refusal to articulate what I mean means I dont play games with people when they ask lame questions. If you dont understand what we just voted out was a memace than you're either one of these red hats, or just playing ignorant.

Me:
Whatever, you gasorminumplaz.

Votard:
Yeah, whatever. Maybe you might try watching the news, or the Jan 6th hearings.

Me:
Attributed to Voltaire, "If you wish to communicate, define your terms."
So how about you define your terms and communicate what you mean, you gazorminumplaz smurfing smurfed smurfer with a smurf smurfed up your smurf.

Votard:
No, this is silly. You know what I'm talking about.

Me:
You are a fucking coward who refuses to be specific and articulate.
Write plainly, boy. Nobody is going to read your mind.

Votard:
Lol, you're an ignorant red hat if you need to be told what the evil was we voted out of the White House.

Me:
No... My LOL... You're the Votard trying to claim a non-voter is supporting the side opposite of the one you support.
Now I ask again, What, specifically, do you mean by the "evil" you voted out?
What did you vote out. Please be articulate in describing this evil.
What, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, & characteristics of this "evil" you claim to have voted out?
Why, specifically, do you think the other guy is evil incarnate and your guy is not?

Votard:
I ask you, do you news at all?

Me:
I ask you: Be concise; be articulate; State the "evil" you are so concerned about.
Stop being a fucking coward who refuses to plainly state what you mean.

Votard:
Please dont tag me anynmore, I'm through here.

Me:
You are through here because you are too stupid to plainly state what you wish to only imply. Fucking Votard¹.

¹ Votard
A Voting Retard that believes voting for the lessor of two evils isn't voting for evil.

Dale Eastman not what I said. But good job.
Do you even know what a communist is?

➽ Do you even know what a communist is?

I decline to follow that red herring and allow you to control the discussion to drag its focus away from your failures.

𝟚𝟠 Why should I not ignore your questions just like you ignore mine?

➽ not what I said.

I posted 573 words. 533 of those words was the transcript of my discussion with that Votard. 533 of those words had nothing to do with you other than for me to imply that you are as stupid as that Votard.

Of course those 533 words are "not what" you "said."

The first 40 words was what I wrote (said). So they are "not what" you "said" either.

𝟚𝟡 So just what exactly were you referring to with your 4 words ➽ not what I said?

➽ So when Trump is spending the rest of his life in prison, are you tribalist gonna finally admit he’s a criminal pos,

Those are your words.
𝟛𝟘 Admit or deny?

Your question implies you believe Trump is a criminal.
𝟛𝟙 Admit or deny?

Your question implies you are on the side opposite of the Trump supporting side.
𝟛𝟙 Admit or deny?

Your question implies you are on the side of Biden supporters.
𝟛𝟚 Admit or deny?

so you're saying that Conservatives are such sore losers, that when they get crushed in an election again..... they are gonna start a civil war over it.
You gonna participate in the killing of your countrymen?

➽ You gonna participate in the killing of your countrymen?

I hope I don't need to.

Those that support tyrants attempting to enslave other humans are themselves attempting to enslave others by proxy.

➽ I prefer facts, evidence and actual justice.

Yet you refuse to admit to the verifiable facts I have presented to you.

Don’t play victim you swine.

You refuse to peacefully co-exist.

➽ You refuse to peacefully co-exist.

You just implied that you will "peacefully co-exist."
𝟛𝟛 Admit or deny?

➽ Don’t play victim you swine.

This is not the words of somebody who wants to "peacefully co-exist."
𝟛𝟜 Admit or deny?

Do you ever wonder why public schools don't teach our children how to think critically?

Just because you can't think critically doesn't mean it wasn't taught.

➽ Just because you can't think critically doesn't mean it wasn't taught.

The putrid rot that now passes for schooling is meant to program what to think, not how to think. If a human is taught how to think, then that person would recognize the contradictory ideas they were taught to think (believe). For example; The corrupt schooling system does not focus on these three topics (as presented) so the logic of these presentations are never examined for veracity:

✦ If all were created equal, then none can have a right to rule another.
✦ Rulers and Leaders are NOT the same. The meaning of Leader has been corrupted. A voter is not voting for a Leader. Voting does NOT elect a leader. Leaders do not need laws that allow them to send goons with guns to harm other humans for their refusal to follow or obey the elected Rulers. Voters elect rulers from the choices presented by the Ruling Class.
✦ Anarchy literally means No Rulers. The meaning of Anarchy has been corrupted to mean chaos, violence, and antisocial actions.

NO human has a right to own another human. NO human has a right to rule another human. This means NO Officer, Agent, Elected Politician, or Employee of "government" has ownership of, or a Right to Rule" any other human.

That previous paragraph stands on its own as an example of logic and critical thought. Something I speculate has NOT been presented to you in your public school government indoctrination center.
If you are never exposed to differing thoughts and critical thinking, how the hell are you supposed to learn to think?

You're not supposed to. Don't think about the contradictions you were taught. Just vomit more government lies continuing to ignore the contradictions.

Agree or disagree?

Why?

I’m good with having an echo chamber lol. I get the whole “but muh diverse viewpoints!” thing, but that ship has sailed. 🙄 I prefer an echo chamber, not because I refuse to consider other alternatives, but rather because those other alternatives go against EVERYTHING I believe in and stand for, and because I have exactly ZERO common ground with a Democrat/Leftist. Their outlook on the world is totally anathema to me. I don’t even want to associate with it. I only have so much time in this life, and I would much prefer to spend it associating with the dreamers and doers and those who want freedom for others and for others to live their best life. Why would I want to associate with people who buy into the whole sordid bullshit Democrap narrative- the woe is me, there’s-a-racist-behind-every-bush, the free market is evil, freedom is bad, victim mentality, climate change hysteria, bow-down-and-worship-the-LGBT-agenda, only-government-can-run-you-life malarkey? Please explain that to me lol. It’s a cult, and I have zero desire to associate with it. Ergo, I’m cool with only associating with like minded individuals. 😉😛

Hmmmm. And I have no common ground with any pro-government, brainwashed morons.
The convo's I've had with yellow/gold believers is why I expanded my lewd, rude, & crude meme to cover three political parties.

Here's an example:
https://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=1656.0

Dale Eastman. If you don't want to live under the constitution, why do you stay here. Go start your own country.

➽ Dale Eastman. If you don't want to live under the constitution, why do you stay here. Go start your own country.

I accept your invitation to discuss what you and I don't like about each other's posted comments.

𝟙 What, specifically, do you mean by "living under the CONstitution"?

𝟚 How, specifically, does your "living under the CONstitution" impact YOUR life?

𝟛 Please provide evidence to support your (implied) belief that the CONstitution applies to anybody other than government officers, agents, or employees.

Dale Eastman. The constitution applies almost exclusively to the govt. This country was founded as a constitutional Republic. That is what we are trying to do here. If you want to do something else, I think that is great, but please go do it somewhere else. I already have enough people causing problems here.

Kudos for answering the numbered questions you answered. Thank you.

The question you have not yet answered:
𝟙 What, specifically, do you mean by "living under the CONstitution"?

➽ I already have enough people causing problems here.

𝟜 You have implied that somehow I'm causing "you" problems.
Admit or deny?

𝟝 Please articulate specifically and concisely the problem or problems you think I'm causing you.

➽ This country was founded as a constitutional Republic. That is what we are trying to do here.

𝟞 Am I correct in my understanding that you want to work towards returning the U.S. to a "CONstitutional Republic"?

➽ If you want to do something else, [...] please go do it somewhere else.

𝟟 What do you imagine I want to do?

An Organic Document of the United States IS the Declaration of Liberty.
𝟠 Admit or deny?

These words are contained within this Organic Document:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;
𝟡 Admit or deny?

𝟙𝟘 Am I correct in assuming that you have never read Lysander Spooner's NO TREASON?

Dale Eastman. You are not a serious person. You are not interested in answers, so that is why you did not get any. I will say that is it clear that you do not wish to live under a constitutional Republic, and I am fine with that. Go create what you want. I wish you well.

➽ You are not a serious person.

𝟙𝟙 Why you calling me by your maiden name?

You are the one who initiated this discussion when you commented instead of scrolling past my anti-Votards comment.

➽ You are not interested in answers, so that is why you did not get any.

You just implied that you're clairvoyant?
𝟙𝟚 Admit or deny?

➽ You are not interested in answers

You have some "different" thinking than I do. I ask questions in attempts to understand why people like you think what and why you do.

➽ I will say that is it clear that you do not wish to live under a constitutional Republic

And I will say that is it clear that you do not wish to explain what a CONstitutional Republic is in your mind.

Thus, I throw your own words right back at you:
➽ You are not a serious person.
If you were, you would explain what you intend.

Dale Eastman. That is good advice. I'll take it.

Still, FairTheft is better than UnFairTheft. I definitely endorse scrapping the tax code in favor of the FairTheft. https://fairtax.org/about

Don't want your compensation taxed? Learn the law.
https://synapticsparks.info/tax/ExamineFedTax.html

Dale Eastman This isn't about me. It's about the country.

A country that has been socially engineered to be idiots and morons. I read bunches of comments of these same folks in the liberty and freedom camps that complain about taxation being theft. Tax on American's compensation for labor happens because they voluntarily sign W4's when no law requires this.

Dale Eastman I am a Libertarian, not just a libertarian. We are a POLITICAL party, not a philosophical debating society. We must advocate changes that reduce the size and impact of government while still being capable of attracting plurality support.

➽ We are a POLITICAL party, not a philosophical debating society.

This discussion has taken a turn I did not see. In reviewing the discussion, I should have.

Philosophical debates would include discussions of what is moral.

The link you supplied to Fair Tax didn't register at first read. Now that it has, I see it as your admission that you and the rest of the Votards in the Liberty Party condone armed robbery and are for the enslavement of your fellow Americans. Your political party is the conglomeration of immoral... folks.

➽ while still being capable of attracting plurality support.

Exactly whose support are you immoral folks trying to attract?

Dale Eastman And you are accomplishing what, exactly? What has jumping up and down yelling "Taxation is Theft!" gotten you? Right now government is at 10, with the D's and R's ready to turn it up to 11. You are shouting that it should be zero. But are you not willing to concede that if we could get it to 5 it would be a huge improvement over the status quo? What is the good of being a party that gets 2% of the vote, except to convince voters that since we're so fringe, all of our ideas must be fringe also. But our ideas wouldn't be fringe if we just toned down our rhetoric a bit. There are 10s of millions of Americans who would gladly vote for a Party that advocates "smaller" government. There are only 10s of thousands that support "no" government. The Republicans are getting all the votes of the supporters of "smaller" government, even though they actually support "bigger" government, because those voters see us as too extreme. We're in a giant hole. You are advocating no hole. But before we can get to no hole, first we have to stop digging.

After writing this comment, I went back through it. You, like others I have had discussions with, have a habit of ignoring certain things in my text. I have numbered the things I would appreciate that you don't ignore.

➽ Dale Eastman And you are accomplishing what, exactly?

That is a valid and excellent question. Socratic Questioning to get at the facts and to determine if the facts are true.

❶ Goose-Gander quote. That logical approach works both ways, so JR, you are accomplishing what, exactly?
I acknowledge you are actually answering that reversal of the question before it was asked.

➽ What has jumping up and down yelling "Taxation is Theft!" gotten you?

Good question. It's just aimed at the wrong person. The tax on one's domestic compensation for labor is NOT theft. So I actually agree with you on the question to all the others.

❷ So I ask this question: What has voluntarily signing a W4 when no law requires it gotten you or those jumping up and down yelling "Taxation is Theft!"

➽ What is the good of being a party that gets 2% of the vote, except to convince voters that since we're so fringe, all of our ideas must be fringe also.

❸ I'm going to slam this cognition back on the table since you and the other Libertarian have both ignored it.
If the Libertarian candidates won a majority of offices by a landslide, how is this Libertarian (party) government is going to get funding to do its government stuff? If this Libertarian (party) government is not going to immediately cut taxes to 0%, then it is extorting the people for its funding.

The logical conclusion of this is a self-evident fact: You and the rest of the Libertarians support enslavement and condone robbery.

➽ our ideas wouldn't be fringe if we just toned down our rhetoric a bit.

I understand this rhetoric as "less government". This just means "LESS ENSLAVEMENT".
Government IS tyranny.

➽ There are 10s of millions of Americans who would gladly vote for a Party that advocates "smaller" government.

There are 10s of millions of Votards who don't realize that they have been brainwashed to believe bullshit.

➽ We're in a giant hole. You are advocating no hole. But before we can get to no hole, first we have to stop digging.

If you vote, you are still digging.

❹ Where did government get its alleged right to rule?

Dale Eastman We've been trying it your way for 50 years. I actually believe that all rhetoric is wasted at the moment because our system of elections is rigged to prevent 3rd parties or independents from ever gaining a foothold. First Past the Post voting ALWAYS leads to a 2-party outcome. That's why over the past several years I have shifted the focus of my efforts towards passing Ranked Choice Voting across the country and trying to rely Libertarians and all 3rd parties to that cause. https://www.facebook.com/groups/294425008619232 But I still believe that fore the LP to be successful we need to advocate a broad based rollback of government. The end result will NOT be anarchy, it will be more freedom and more prosperity for everyone.

I read what you wrote. I was 196 words into a reply. Nope. Not gonna until you address my numbered points.

❹ Where did government get its alleged right to rule?

❷ So I ask this question: What has voluntarily signing a W4 when no law requires it gotten you or those jumping up and down yelling "Taxation is Theft!"

❸ If the Libertarian candidates won a majority of offices by a landslide, how is this Libertarian (party) government is going to get funding to do its government stuff?

Dale Eastman "The answer to your questions is "less than 1% of the vote."

➽ Dale Eastman "The answer to your questions is "less than 1% of the vote."

I am entirely about "THE LOGIC."

Me: ❸ If the Libertarian candidates won a majority of offices by a landslide, how is this Libertarian (party) government is going to get funding to do its government stuff?

You: "less than 1% of the vote."

Me: ❷ What has voluntarily signing a W4 when no law requires it gotten you or those jumping up and down yelling "Taxation is Theft!"

You: "less than 1% of the vote."

Me: ❹ Where did government get its alleged right to rule?

You: "less than 1% of the vote."

You did NOT pay attention while in your government indoctrination center incarceration (Day jail - public school). Read this again:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;

I ask again:
❹ Where did government get its alleged right to rule?

Dale Eastman Either you're a moron or being intentionally stupid. The LP is POLITICAL party, not a pholosophical debating society. Or job is attract votes in order to REDUCE the size of government, not eliminate it. I don't say "taxation is Theft" because that is not the way to attract votes. I favor the FairTax which would levy a national retail sales tax on everyone. That answers question #1. Advocating people refuse to file taxes does nothing to attract votes. As far as where does the government get its right to rule, that ship has sailed as far as convincing Americans. the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that government should pay for the military, the courts, national parks, schools, roads, police, fire, etc. The question is how much MORE should they do, because they do thousands of additional tasks whose elimination are ripe for attracting votes. If a person believes in Social Security you are wasting your time advocating for the elimination of SS. But they might still be willing to listen to an argument for self-funding retirement rather than our current failed Ponzi scheme. They might believe in police, but be willing to discuss treating drugs like alcohol. They might be against illegal immigration, but might be willing to discuss increasing legal immigration. They might want government to fund schools, but might be open to giving the money to parents rather than teacher unions. I favor dramatically less government than we have now. I just don't favor NO government because that is a political loser. If you don't understand what a POLITICAL party is for then go join a debating club.

Your reply is 272 words. In those 272 words you FAILED to address all of my numbered concerns.

Actually I speculate that you didn't fail. I speculate that you willfully and deliberately ignored the ones you don't like because they drill too deep into your LP beliefs.

➽ If you don't understand what a POLITICAL party is for then go join a debating club.
➽ The LP is POLITICAL party, not a pholosophical debating society.

Every single political party on the planet IS a philosophical debating party.

Join our party - vote for our candidate because our candidate has the same philosophy that we do. Our philosophy is better than all the other parties' philosophies added together.  And our candidate's better than the other parties' candidates anyway.

I understand EXACTLY what the LP's philosophies are.

➽ Dale Eastman Either you're a moron or being intentionally stupid.

You are not the first individual to call me names because my questions expose the errors in what they believe.

Let's go with I am a moron and I am stupid... So please help me understand your thinking by addressing my questions and concerns.

You have adequately addressed concern/question ❶. Thank you.

I will acknowledge that you did in fact address my question #❹.

➽ As far as where does the government get its right to rule, that ship has sailed as far as convincing Americans.

Woefully inadequately though. Thus:
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
This is a fancy way to say, in Latin: Your claim; Your opinion; means nothing; my opinion cancels yours.

Therefore I am going to present the same question differently.

The Organic Document of the United States IS the Declaration of Liberty.
❺ Admit or deny?

These words are contained within this Organic Document:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed;
❻ Admit or deny?

➽ the overwhelming majority of Americans believe that government should pay for the military, the courts, national parks, schools, roads, police, fire, etc.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

So you're clairvoyant and you've read some 340 million minds. ⇇ Rhetorical. No question mark.

➽ I favor dramatically less government than we have now.
➽ I just don't favor NO government because that is a political loser.

You just admitted to wanting a smaller government.
❼ Admit or deny?

You just admitted to wanting a government.
❽ Admit or deny?

To govern is to control.
❾ Admit or deny?

To control other humans is to rule other humans.
❿ Admit or deny?

➽ I favor the FairTax which would levy a national retail sales tax on everyone.
That answers question #1.

That also answers question #3:
❸ If the Libertarian candidates won a majority of offices by a landslide, how is this Libertarian (party) government is going to get funding to do its government stuff?

𝟙𝟙  Is this Libertarian (party) government going to let folks who don't want to pay this tax not pay this tax?

Taking any human's property against their will when they have done no harm to another is theft regardless of what this action is labeled.
𝟙𝟚 Admit or deny?