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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---He’s an ancap, right? I don’t take their oxymoron of a philosophy seriously. Not sure whether mocking or ignoring is the better way to express my contempt
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--- Quote from: Ms. X ---MOCKING is the best way
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HEY INTERNET! These two brain surgeons think Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you is not extortion.
They think Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you is not threat, duress, and coercion.
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH --- So an ancap who realizes the oxymoronic nature of that concept.
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--- Quote from: AH ---I’m an anarchist, you win at slaying strawmen though. Libertarians have perfected the no real Scotsman fallacy, glad to see you’re expanding on your logical fallacy game
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It's a simple point:
Is
Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you
actually extortion, threat, duress, and coercion?
Yes or No?
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---You remind me why I hated substitute teaching the fourth and fifth graders
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--- Quote from: AH ---Yes, if you abuse children I advocate the use of force against you
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--- Quote from: AH --- If you think there are not limits on what you should be allowed to do you aren’t just elementary school level, you’re toddler level.
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--- Quote from: AH ---Do you understand the concept of “other” or does the world still exist with you at the center and everything else is a satellite
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Was that a Yes or a No?
I decline to follow your red herrings.
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---All ancaps are idiots, some write better than others but their philosophy is stupid ergo so are they, done just fake it better
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--- Quote from: AH --- He seems to believe he some pretty stupid shit about paying for the things he extracted from the community ns
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If you are going to attempt character assassination, at least quote the “stupid shit” to which you refer.
--- Quote from: AH ---You’re not coherent enough to mock
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Do say...
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---The ANCAPS won't volunteer to be socialists.
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--- Quote from: AH ---Of course not, anarchist is not no govt it’s decentralized
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--- Quote from: AH ---You’re not coherent enough to mock
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--- Quote from: AH ---Ancaps need helicopter rides or they can go live elsewhere
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--- Quote from: AH --- Well, if what I say is you aren’t allowed to harm others, and you call that oppression, how is that a red herring
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Because you didn't answer the question asked.
--- Quote from: AH --- I believe in the use of force to ensure “freedom from”
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So do I. I agree with you. If you didn't pigeon hole me based upon an errant label, you might have learned this about me.
Nevertheless, that statement did not answer my question either.
--- Quote from: AH ---The irony is that the majority are leftists. Those in power and the ruling class are a minority and tend toward being corporatist like D
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--- Quote from: Voltaire, an Admonition ---If you wish to converse with me, define your terms
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Not that it matters, but don't you think you should have provided the meaning of corporatist as you use the word?
So you think you know me because of a label Ms. xxxxxxxx slapped on me?
You intend to imply that those in power, the ruling class, and I are all alike.
I find your ignorance of me amusing. Yes, ignorance, not nescience.
Since you're so smart I expect you to figure out the insult.
I wrote: If you are going to attempt character assassination, at least quote the “stupid shit” to which you refer.
--- Quote from: AH --- Didn’t you imply taxes were extortion instead of rent?
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So far, you have REFUSED to actually answer my question: Is Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you actually extortion, threat, duress, and coercion?
Yes or No?
I'll modify that question to answer yours: Is Give us the money we demand from you or we will hurt you actually extortion, threat, duress, and coercion?
Yes or No?
[ Y ] - [ E ] - [ S ] - [ ENTER ]
[ N ] - [ O ] - [ ENTER ]
Four keystrokes maximum.
--- Quote from: AH ---Or are you yet another pseudo libertarian pseudo intellectual who prefers to parse debate instead of presenting a coherent unified world view?
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Innuendo and name calling from a person who can't or won't answer a direct question...
A question to establish a baseline to communicate my "coherent unified world view."
You go build the roof for somebody else, I'm still digging the hole for the basement foundation.
--- Quote from: AH ---Well you eventually posted some shit worthy of mocking, but clearly don’t understand hyperbole. I really don’t think we need to execute ancaps, re-education camps will be adequate
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If you say so.
I still don't see an answer to my question.
--- Quote from: AH ---In other words, D might not be stupid, he’s just another victim of cultural influences and DNA
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--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is where an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
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I have to wonder what argument he thinks he's refuting...?
--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
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I refuse to engage on anything other than your missing answer at this time.
It's a simple point: Is Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you actually extortion, threat, duress, and coercion?
Yes or No?
--- Quote --- I told you four fucking times yes, if you harm others despite me telling you not to I will either advocate force against you or utilize it myself.
Can you not read?
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Yeah, I can read. Can you?
I did not ask you about you using force, did I?
I did not ask you about advocating force, did I?
I did not ask you about the conditions of when you would advocate or use force, did I?
Do you know what conflation is?
--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---Conflation happens when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity, and the differences appear to become lost. In logic, it is the practice of treating two distinct concepts as if they were one, which produces errors or misunderstandings as a fusion of distinct subjects tends to obscure analysis of relationships which are emphasized by contrasts. However, if the distinctions between the two concepts appear to be superficial, intentional conflation may be desirable for the sake of conciseness and recall.
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--- Quote ---And yes, it’s a fucking threat.
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Q. Is Do what we tell you to do or we will hurt you actually extortion, threat, duress, and coercion?
A. And yes, it’s a fucking threat.
Given your romping all over the place, I am forced to ask is the above Q & A correct?
--- Quote from: AH ---Are you arguing that said threat is somehow immoral? Are you that childish in your thinking that “you’re not the boss of me” actually passes for argument in your deluded mind?
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You just go right on knocking that straw out of them bib overalls.
What's the difference between
a tax man saying give me your property or I will hurt you
or
a car jacker saying give me your property or I will hurt you?
--- Quote from: AH ---Are you one of those guys who doesn’t get the irony of you claiming the right to violently defend property that you claim. But my right to join with others to violently challenge that claim is invalid
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Specifically, what property are you claiming that I have claimed a right to defend? Did I acquire said property by honest exchange?
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