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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---You really do think like a toddler with your absolutes.
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Your belief in such does not make it so.
--- Quote from: AH ---Of course people have to do “what society tells them to do” under certain circumstances and should not be required to in others.
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What do YOU mean by “society”? Be specific so I don't have to ask clarifying questions.
--- Quote from: AH ---If I tell you I will use force to stop you from sexually abusing children, and you equate that to Hitler exterminating Jews you are straight up a dumb motherfucker who should be in some sort of mental health therapy
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Scroll back up and re-read the description of conflation.
You are the one conflating and equating my words to Ms. xxxxxxxx with my words to you.
Scroll back up and re-read the description of a straw man.
You are the one beatin' the straw out of those bib overalls.
Scroll back up and re-read the description of an ad hominem.
You calling me a dumb motherfucker is the pot calling the kettle black.
Perhaps with your anger issues, you are the one who should be in some sort of mental health therapy.
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---So if someone does not wish to voluntarily refrain from having sex with children?
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Your fixation with having sex with children makes me wonder about you as a victim, an abuser, or both.
--- Quote from: AH ---You’re not being forced to do anything, you are free to seek residence somewhere that has rules more to your liking.
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Nice of you to point that out thereby proving that you are free to make such suggestions. I will use my freedom, what little I still retain, to decline to follow your suggestion. I'm not leaving.
--- Quote from: AH ---And yet D holds the bizarre position that only voluntary following of laws is legitimate
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Please be more accurate when you presume to speak for me. Better yet, there's this invention called copy-n-paste. Learn how to use it.
I'm just going to assume that you drive a car. If this assumption is incorrect, correct my error or not, I don't care.
Can anybody who drives a car honestly claim they have never exceeded the speed limit? This includes down hill roads steep enough to require braking to obey the limit. As the imaginary Hey Zeus is alleged to have said, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.
And turn signals... Every lane change? Every turning a corner?
Since you mention “law”, can you refute my claim that law is a politician's opinion?
--- Quote from: AH ---Anarchist theory is not advocating anarchy.
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Do tell.
--- Quote from: AH ---You consent to the laws of your culture by belonging to it.
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You made the claim. Now present the evidence proving the claim.
--- Quote from: AH ---It’s a tricky thing arguing that one is a exempt from a cultures rules while continuing to benefit from said rules.
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Have you any particular, specific rule in mind? If more than one, we can go through them one by one.
--- Quote from: AH ---The next time an ancap proposes a solution to the free rider dilemma will be the first
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As framed, the free rider dilemma is an unspecified, generalized concept with no detail. As framed, the problem is an ethereal wisp not much different than fog on a swamp or the boogeyman under the bed.
A problem must be understood before solutions can be designed. Have you any details of a specific problem under the general heading of the free rider dilemma?
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---You’re nothing if not predictable. Does this sort of side stepping pass for debate in your circles?
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Does ignoring questions asked to get clarification of your position pass for debate in yours?
--- Quote ---The Socratic method is based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions.
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I do wonder if you are just too embarrassed to have your political ideas and presumptions drawn out for myself and others to examine by using critical thinking?
--- Quote from: AH ---That would explain the lunacy I guess, also explains why ancaps are so easy to mock.
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I'm sorry... Was there a point about your political ideas and presumptions your sentence was meant to communicate? To myself and others? No? I guess that explains why YOU are so easy to mock.
/Mocking
--- Quote from: AH ---And yet, I grow weary of it. It’s literally like trying to read Foucault or other post modern philosophers, lots of words little sense
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And you had the unmitigated gall to imply that I can't read?
I can understand your weariness on not getting a free pass to post points without being challenged to explain and support them.
I can understand your weariness at constantly being exposed as a mental giant you think you are.
I know that you don't like whatever ideology you IMAGINE I have. I know that you like labels because labels make for less thinking on your part; Labels allow you to dismiss all the points without having to consider the points individually. This is called tossing the baby out with the bathwater. I know that you like to conflate points so you can deflect, distract, and divert while, in my case, ignoring the clarifying questions. And I know that you prefer to call names instead of having an honest discussion of differing points of view.
I know you claim to be an anarchist. This is a label that tells me nothing about your ideology, your presumptions, or your points. I know that you claimed Anarchist theory is not advocating anarchy and you ignored the prompt, Do tell.
If you are trying to get your political ideology accepted by others, you are doing a piss poor job at communicating what that ideology actually is.
http://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=655.0
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---And yet, no, D has perfected the art of defending the ludicrous by saying “prove it”
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--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---Onus probandi – from Latin "onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat" the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not on the person who denies (or questions the claim).
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--- Quote from: AH ---You consent to the laws of your culture by belonging to it.
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I wrote: You made the claim. Now present the evidence proving the claim.
Else, Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur
Quod non apparet non est.
An assertion without proof may be refuted without proof.
The fact not appearing is presumed not to exist.
Ludicrous? POT-KETTLE-BLACK.
--- Quote from: AH ---Of course we don’t get to pick and choose what we will voluntarily do absent any and all democratic process.
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Who exactly is the “we”?
May I correctly assume you are in that group?
Are you saying you don't get to voluntarily pick and choose what you are going to eat for a meal absent any and all democratic process?
Are you saying your meal must be chosen by “democratic process”?
Am I understanding you correctly?
And exactly what do YOU mean by “democratic process”?
--- Quote from: AH ---He consistently avoids the child abuse issue simply because it demonstrates the ludicrousness of all rules being voluntary
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Your belief in such does not make it so.
Going back through our dialog... You wrote:
Yes, if you abuse children I advocate the use of force against you
If I tell you I will use force to stop you from sexually abusing children, [...]
So if someone does not wish to voluntarily refrain from having sex with children?
Do you think you can finish your thought, intelligently articulate it, and post it so I can understand what the point is that you are trying to convey? Something about rules and child abuse is all I got so far.
I put a link in my last post. It links to where I am making a record of THIS dialog...
My number 1 purpose is for me to keep track of the flow of our discussion.
Number 2 purpose is so I can keep track of the points not yet addressed.
Number 3 purpose is so others can do number 1 & 2.
--- Quote ---Ancaps can’t even come up with a viable definition of liberty let alone freedom, but they are pretty sure they don’t have it because poor people are trying to take it away.
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We weren't discussing Ancaps, whatever that means. We were discussing the difference of our political ideas and presumptions... Or at least I was. With you it's hard to tell because your name calling.
Dale Eastman:
--- Quote from: AH ---Oh for fucks sake
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Sorry. That didn't translate into a clear articulation of the points of your political ideology that you want others to understand.
--- Quote from: AH ---You really do debate like a not very smart middle schooler
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Asking you questions for clarification is debating like a not very smart middle schooler?
Is the reason why you don't like being asked questions because questions expose weakness in your thinking?
Or is the reason because I dare to challenge your edicts?
--- Quote from: AH ---Ms. X’s welcome to your ignorant ass, I’m done
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Well of course I'm nescient. I ask you questions and you ignore them.
Just a friendly hint: If you want others to accept your political ideology, you need to actually present it... And answer questions about it. We never got to examining your ideology because you've been too busy being an asshole from the beginning.
Is this the point in time where we vie for the last word?
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