no more Larken Rose, Mark Passio, or Jordan Peterson videos -- I would rather read sources than listen to them.
Oops. We agree on something. I would rather read as well.
I hit the main points of Larken's 14 minute video with 377 words. Of course it took more than 14 minutes to paraphrase and type those 377 words.
I was replying while I was listening to it.
I did consider that possibility. The timeline presented does suggest that typing while listening was the only way you could have contemplated the points in the video in the time shown.
You can't make the world better for those you eliminate, only for those who remain.
The world becomes better for those who remain only if those eliminated are thieves, murderers, extortionists, criminals, despots and tyrants.
But that's not who you are intent on eliminating.I want to control you.
Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both.
I refuse to submit to you imposing injustice and wrongs upon me.
You want freedom and I want to control you. I think that puts an end to this debate.
Debate?
Quick recap:
I presented a definition of authority as a presumed higher claim over an individual and their property than that individual's own claim over themselves and their property. You agreed.
I presented authority in the absence of consent as extortion. You agreed.
You have presented that you want to {
kill those who don't want to do things} your {
way}.
You have presented that you to intend to impose injustices and wrongs on those who don't want to do things your way.
We both know exactly where we stand.
Yes, we do.
You are willing to initiate aggression and violence and ignore the immorality of such action.
I am pointing this out to you.
Voluntary charity will never meet the needs of those who cannot produce due to illness or age. Force is required to extort people or there will always be a precariat class and an oligarchy, which is what all ANCAPs want.
I decline to follow the trail of your red herring. Doubly so since you are trying to pigeon hole me with a label again.
Just as I declined to follow this red herring:
You really should han[g] out in A Pluralist Accord of Differences United by Universal Love and Struggle for a few days so you understand what REAL anarchists want, not AYNcaps.
And though this diversion was tempting, I decided to not follow it at this time as well.
The government has the legal ability to create money without interest or debt. It gave up that ability in 1913 and that was a big mistake.
In another thread you wrote:
CC Ask DE if he understand what I am saying.
I understand exactly what you are saying. My focus has been on what you wish to ignore that is contained within what you are saying.
He thinks he hears me loud and clear and I'm not voluntaryist.
That sentence structure indicates to me that you did not proof read what you wrote.
Different parses attempting to understand what is actually meant:
1. He thinks he understands me but he doesn't?
2. He thinks he understands that I AM a voluntarist?
3. He thinks he understands that I am NOT a voluntarist?
4. He doesn't understand that I am NOT a voluntarist?
5. I am not a voluntarist!
For $500 Alex number 5, Who is not a voluntarist?
/snarky response
I love to control people.
Apparently without regard for morality.
Voluntary chairty will never meet the needs of those who can't produce so taxation (which you call extortion) is necessary to prevent oligarchy
You mean like how the present extortion/taxation prevented the oligarchy you rail against?The one you want to overthrow so you can be the new oligarchy?February 17 You wrote:
Without capitalism, the people can never truly own the means of production. They are enslaved to the collective and ruled by sociopaths. Capitalism with all its inherent flaws is the ONLY system that gives direct control to the citizens. The collective of their consumer demand is powerful. Every other system means government taking the control from the people and giving it to the corrupt cronies for the benefit of the politicians. Without capitalism, oligarchy is unavoidable. Even with capitalism, the U.S. is more like an oligarchy than a republic or a democracy.
Parsing: {
Without capitalism, oligarchy is unavoidable}: With capitalism, oligarchy is avoidable.
In context in the paragraph, I doubt a typographical error or a Freudian Slip.
September 14 at 8:06am You wrote:
Oligarchy always results when the taxation system which is supposedly progressive is really a con -- it redistributes wealth upward
Can a taxation system move wealth upward when it doesn't exist?Other than that reply, I decline to follow you off topic on that tangent.
CC How more clear can I be about "I want to control people"? I hate voluntaryism. I am not an anarchist. You think I'm just saying this to start a debate? Hell no. I mean every word.
With a certain glee Ms. xxxxxxxx, I present a news flash to you...
You are already a voluntaryist. Nobody is forcing you to interact with me. It's free will, it's your choice to interact or ignore.
LM I have been controlled and manipulated my whole life so to me, manipulation is the only answer. Otherwise I will never be free from being controlled by others.
Roni Weisberg-Ross wrote:When the Abused Becomes the Abuser
It doesn't always happen. But it happens to a large enough degree that it can be referred to as commonplace.
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The point here is that children who were abused are taught to abuse as a way of communicating and connecting. And many times their primary role models, their parents or other family members, are the ones who taught them this.
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The behavior feels familiar and it feels like home. It is instinctive; furthermore, the abuser may not know any other way to behave.
I am sorry that you had a shitty life. I find your inability to see other options to be the real tragedy of your early shitty life.
You either control others or they control you. You have not learned that yet.
CORRECTION. You have not Unlearned that yet.
You anarchist, you! 