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« on: August 29, 2020, 09:46:51 AM »
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I'll see you and raise you how laws work.
Law is a Politician's Opinion
It is clear to this author that Legislators, Senators, and Congresspersons are merely men and women. Such politicians are not gods or demigods. They have no supernatural intellect or knowledge. And most importantly, they were not born with automatic authority over any other humans.
Therefore, I find that Law is only politicians' opinion.
An elected alleged Representative will write, dicker, and then v*te with other alleged Representatives regarding a new law and if 51% of the alleged Representatives voting agree that thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property, then that is the law and thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property.
In legal terms, such laws are known as a malum prohibitum laws.
Malum prohibitum is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, (by virtue of being a politician's opinion) as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.
There are many laws that are functionally the same as this hypothetical anti-Lilac law in the law books commanding that acts or omissions are illegal because of some politician's written opinions; Act or omissions that do not cause harm to any other human in that society.
If you voted for a politician to become a Legislator,
You voted for a person who drafts and enacts rules.
You voted for somebody who makes rules you must obey under penalty of death.
If you voted for a politician to become a Mayor, Governor, or President,
You voted for a person to enforce the rules made by Legislators.
You voted for somebody to make you obey or kill you if you resist.

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.

This is a black man, not that I should even have to write the descriptor "black" in the first place. I'm only 18 minutes into a 42 minute essay by this "man".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt95ct2gISA

See who is racist... Who is going to cast the first stone...
And call him "Uncle Tom"

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.
8 minute video with examination of different camera angles:
https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/08/in-defense-of-kenosha-kyle-the-left-pounced-before-the-facts-were-known-again/

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.
https://www.allsides.com/story/video-appears-show-police-shooting-jacob-blake-media-coverage-differs

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.
8 minute video with examination of different camera angles:
https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/08/in-defense-of-kenosha-kyle-the-left-pounced-before-the-facts-were-known-again/

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.
https://www.allsides.com/story/video-appears-show-police-shooting-jacob-blake-media-coverage-differs

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I spoke to K yesterday on the matter and I stated my views very clearly. He broke laws and was in a place her didn’t belong. Had he not been there he would not have shot 3 people and killed 2 of these people. If you don’t agree you can scroll right past my posts or unfriend me at this point. I am not here for it anymore. I am not watching the same 3 videos again and again trying to justify what a 17 year old did that he should not have done, as he knows the difference between right and wrong and what he did was WRONG.

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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.


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LINK: https://youtu.be/NSU9ZvnudFE

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If you can't take my word for it take it from a lawyer and gun rights activist

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I watched this video, again I’m not interested in fighting with this anymore, the kid broke laws? I’m struggling to see why y’all are so adamant that he did nothing wrong. Sorry that gun laws mean more to you than human life does. Human life means more to me than guns

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BECAUSE REGUARDLESS
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he still broke the law- I’m not doing this, my views (ethically and morally) are obviously very different than yours. Sorry I value the life of others more than I value a gun 🙄

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I don't value either more than I value justice and what he did when he was being attacked was run what he did when he could run no longer was defend he was out there helping people before that on both sides and because people who had there own agendas that used a peaceful protest to ruin a city and affect countless lives decided that they didn't want him to help people and decided to attack him for it. I don't want to live in a world where people are like that I'm sorry I don't want to live in a world where people who step on my god given rights are able to roam free while I pick up the rubble. I am on both sides of this I am not with police white supremacists not with blm nor any other groups. I am with the person to my right and left that get up every day and see the world for what it is and that see a person defending themselves after trying to exclude themselves from there agressors is justified not right or wrong JUSTIFIED. Bc if it was you or me that was being attacked and chased down REGUARDLESS of where we are I want the right to put my life before the ones that would seek to end it

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He was being attacked because he shot someone in the head. That was why he was being chased. They are saying “moitov cocktail” but in the official police statement it was a plastic bag. He shot a man, called someone, said “I just killed someone” and ran, then when people figured out what was going on, they chased him, to subdue him. The man with the skateboard stopped and a skateboard is not a deadly weapon compared to a gun. He was trying to subdue him so the police could do their job. The kid shouldn’t have been there in the first place and that is the problem.



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Your statist indoctrination and your one sided examination of facts is showing.
Law is a politician's opinion.
Law is a Politician's Opinion
It is clear to this author that Legislators, Senators, and Congresspersons are merely men and women. Such politicians are not gods or demigods. They have no supernatural intellect or knowledge. And most importantly, they were not born with automatic authority over any other humans.
Therefore, I find that Law is only politicians' opinion.
Voting for a Representative
You have been taught to believe that you have a right to v*te to choose a Representative. There are logical flaws and delusions in this fairy tale.
Imagine two candidates trying to get elected. Candidate A is running on an anti-Lilac platform and has promised to enact legislation making it illegal to have Lilac bushes growing in your yard. Candidate B is running on a pro-Lilac platform and has promised to oppose any anti-Lilac legislation.
If the anti-Lilac Candidate wins, then the anti-Lilac majority of voters will have representation in Congress; the pro-Lilac voters will not have any representation in Congress.
Conversely; If the pro-Lilac Candidate wins, then the pro-Lilac majority of voters will have representation and the anti-Lilac minority of voters will not.
The majority controls who is going to allegedly represent the minority.
As a matter of logic, the winning candidate can not and does not represent the losing voters. So much for No Taxation Without Representation fairy tale.
Continuing the examination of voting for a Representative:
An elected alleged Representative will write, dicker, and then v*te with other alleged Representatives regarding a new law and if 51% of the alleged Representatives voting agree that thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property, then that is the law and thou shalt have no lilacs growing on your property.
In legal terms, such laws are known as a malum prohibitum laws.
Malum prohibitum is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, (by virtue of being a politician's opinion) as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.
There are many laws that are functionally the same as this hypothetical anti-Lilac law in the law books commanding that acts or omissions are illegal because of some politician's written opinions; Act or omissions that do not cause harm to any other human in that society.
Any person who represents another is called an agent. The person being represented is called the principal.
In a true principal - agent relationship, the agent can not command the principal. The agent is required to obey the principal's wishes and protect the principal's interests. Also, if the agent fails to represent the principal and the principal's interests, the principal can terminate the agent's employment immediately.
Calling Congressional Legislators "Representatives" is a lie, regardless of the dictionary definitions doing just that. Newspeak anyone?
The term newspeak was coined by George Orwell in his 1949 anti-utopian novel 1984. In Orwell's fictional totalitarian state, Newspeak was a language favored by the minions of Big Brother and, in Orwell's words, designed to diminish the range of thought. Newspeak was characterized by the elimination or alteration of certain words, the substitution of one word for another, the interchangeability of parts of speech, and the creation of words for political purposes. The word has caught on in general use to refer to confusing or deceptive bureaucratic jargon.
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/newspeak/
Legislators can not be immediately terminated for failing to protect any voter's interests. True representative agents can not command their principals, which is exactly what Legislators do with their laws. Laws that Legislators enact are commands.
So why call them Representatives?
They're not and they don't.
So why v*te for them?
The record of alleged Representatives sure looks to me like they just do what they want anyway.

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Your opinion? Your indoctrination.
BTW, I am not Kitty.
And as to your comment about Kyle being wrong...
Ya got nothing to say about the rioters, arsonists, and looters coming to Kenosha to riot, burn, and steal? Hmmmm?
Sorry. NOT!
You should know me well enough to know I call BULLSHIT! when I see it.
In watching a "man" get shot 7 times in the back...
I did NOT see a "black" man get shot 7 times in the back.
ALM!

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ALL LIVES WONT FUCKING MATTER UNTIL BLACK LIVES MATTER HOW FUCKING HARD OF A CONCEPT IS THIS?!?!? IF KYLE WERE BLACK HE WOULDNT BE ALIVE RIGHT NOW. I’m done now- check your comments at the door ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾

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You personally know me. And you are going to accuse me of being racist?

Shall I publicly relate how you could NOT be made to see reason when I repeatedly stated: "R, I have your solution here." Do you even remember my saying that the day you and R left for Florida.

IMO, you are acting now, with this issue, just as you did with that issue.

And I am aware of your SJW temper tantrum as evidenced by the time stamps of your posting flood in this thread.

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Free clue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt95ct2gISA
From a "black" man. Why the fuck should I be required to point out he's black?

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listen- I have stated multiple times I’ve watched your videos, I’ve read your comments, I don’t agree with you- I don’t want the comments and videos anymore; I already “snoozed” you on Facebook and that only makes it so I don’t see your posts. I’ve had enough, my views on the situation did not change. Black lives still matter, children shouldn’t be allowed to break laws that lead up to them killing and injuring people. I’ve had enough, comment on something again and I will unfriend you.

Like that's gonna punish me for calling bullshit on bullshit.

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“snooze” my posts if you don’t want to see what I shared. Also comparing me to how I was almost 4 years ago is a little insulting, seeing as 4 years ago I was insanely exhausted and stressed and making a huge change in my life? Right now I’m sharing things as they’re on my feed and I agree with them

And comparing my to a racist is not insulting?
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Re: RM2
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2020, 02:53:00 PM »
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He was being attacked because he shot someone in the head. That was why he was being chased. They are saying “moitov cocktail” but in the official police statement it was a plastic bag. He shot a man, called someone, said “I just killed someone” and ran, then when people figured out what was going on, they chased him, to subdue him. The man with the skateboard stopped and a skateboard is not a deadly weapon compared to a gun. He was trying to subdue him so the police could do their job. The kid shouldn’t have been there in the first place and that is the problem.





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REGUARDLESS of what the man that was shot first threw at him he threw it he made multiple points of contact that made him the agressor and then tried to take the rifle from him like we're watching the same videos don't make up shit that isn't there the kid didn't even fire a round at him first before meeting in-between the cars and he was running away from him and if your gonna go there Kyle was on the phone with police dispatch when he said I just killed someone and then started running towards the police that he had last seen and was trying to turn himself over when he shot the other two if he had not been agressed on not one person would have died he didn't shoot anyone NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON THAT WASNT ATTACKING HIM

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had he not been there he wouldn’t have been agressed and no one would’ve died at his hand. When it comes down to it he didn’t belong there.
There is no evidence he tried to grab the rifle. I have watched all the videos and I don’t see that at any point.

BULLSHIT!

From the same source as the Molotov Cocktail image.



Clearly a police report.

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Had none of them did what they did they would all be alive 😂 that's what it comes down too not that he shouldn't have been there he had every right as anyone else who was there he had every right as anyone else and there were two accounts taken by people not even ten feet that said that he tried to grab the barrel end of the rifle one of which is a credited reporter that had been following Kyle all night

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So why is it okay hes there? Also go message R about me some more- just delete me if y’all wanna talk shit about my views on the situation.

Repeating what I said previously:

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And as to your comment about Kyle being wrong...
Ya got nothing to say about the rioters, arsonists, and looters coming to Kenosha to riot, burn, and steal? Hmmmm?
Sorry. NOT!
You should know me well enough to know I call BULLSHIT! when I see it.

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Didn't say it was and I didn't think it was okay any of them drove 30+ minutes to get there
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Re: RM2
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2020, 10:16:00 AM »
https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/legal-team-for-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-releases-full-statement/

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The legal team for Kyle Rittenhouse has released a statement regarding his defense.

The 17-year-old was among a group protecting private properties during the ongoing riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin. During an altercation with the rioters, he shot three people, two of them fatally. He has been charged with First Degree Intentional Homicide, Reckless Homicide, Attempted Intentional Homicide, Recklessly Endangering Safety, and Possession of a Dangerous Weapon While Under the Age of 18.

Rittenhouse is being represented by Pierce Bainbridge, who also represented Representative and former presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard in her suit against Hillary Clinton. Bainbridge is also joined by Nicholas Sandmann attorney L. Lin Wood, and several other prominent criminal defense lawyers.

Bainbridge released the following on Friday evening:

VERNON HILLS, ILLINOIS / August 28, 2020 / Pierce Bainbridge is honored to represent 17-year old Antioch, Illinois resident Kyle Rittenhouse, who has suddenly found himself at the center of a national firestorm and charged with murder after defending himself from a relentless, vicious and potentially deadly mob attack in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

On August 25th, 2020, Kenosha spiraled into chaos following the Jacob Blake shooting. The Kenosha Mayor and Wisconsin Governor failed to provide a basic degree of law and order to protect the citizens and community buildings in Kenosha. The city burned as mobs destroyed buildings and property, and looters stole whatever they wanted. Rioters defaced storefronts, the courthouse, and many other public and private locations across the city.

After Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters. Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence. The business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines.

Upon arrival, Kyle and others stood guard at the mechanic’s shop across from the auto dealership to prevent further damage or destruction. Later that night, substantially after the city’s 8:00 p.m. curfew expired without consequence, the police finally started to attempt to disperse a group of rioters. In doing so, they maneuvered a mass of individuals down the street towards the auto shops. Kyle and others on the premises were verbally threatened and taunted multiple times as the rioters passed by, but Kyle never reacted. His intent was not to incite violence, but simply to deter property damage and use his training to provide first aid to injured community members.

After the crowd passed the premises and Kyle believed the threat of further destruction had passed, he became increasingly concerned with the injured protestors and bystanders congregating at a nearby gas station with no immediate access to medical assistance or help from law enforcement. Kyle headed in that direction with a first aid kit. He sought out injured persons, rendered aid, and tried to guide people to others who could assist to the extent he could do so amid the chaos. By the final time Kyle returned to 2 the gas station and confirmed there were no more injured individuals who needed assistance, police had advanced their formation and blocked what would have been his path back to the mechanic’s shop. Kyle then complied with the police instructions not to go back there. Kyle returned to the gas station until he learned of a need to help protect the second mechanic’s shop further down the street where property destruction was imminent with no police were nearby.

As Kyle proceeded towards the second mechanic’s shop, he was accosted by multiple rioters who recognized that he had been attempting to protect a business the mob wanted to destroy. This outraged the rioters and created a mob now determined to hurt Kyle. They began chasing him down. Kyle attempted to get away, but he could not do so quickly enough. Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle. He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker.

Kyle stopped to ensure care for the wounded attacker but faced a growing mob gesturing towards him. He realized he needed to flee for his safety and his survival. Another attacker struck Kyle from behind as he fled down the street. Kyle turned as the mob pressed in on him and he fell to the ground. One attacker kicked Kyle on the ground while he was on the ground. Yet another bashed him over the head with a skateboard. Several rioters tried to disarm Kyle. In fear for his life and concerned the crowd would either continue to shoot at him or even use his own weapon against him, Kyle had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers, striking two, including one armed attacker. The rest of the mob began to disperse upon hearing the additional gunshots.

Kyle got up and continued down the street in the direction of police with his hands in the air. He attempted to contact multiple police officers, but they were more concerned with the wounded attackers. The police did not take Kyle into custody at that time, but instead they indicated he should keep moving. He fully cooperated, both then and later that night when he turned himself in to the police in his hometown, Antioch, Illinois.

Kyle did nothing wrong. He exercised his God-given, Constitutional, common law and statutory law right to self-defense.

However, in a reactionary rush to appease the divisive, destructive forces currently roiling this country, prosecutors in Kenosha did not engage in any meaningful analysis of the facts, or any in-depth review of available video footage (some of which shows that a critical state’s witness was not even at the area where the shots were fired); this was not a serious investigation. Rather, after learning Kyle may have had conservative political viewpoints, they immediately saw him as a convenient target who they could use as a scapegoat to distract from the Jacob Blake shooting and the government’s abject failure to ensure basic law and order to citizens. Within 24-36 hours, he was charged with multiple homicide counts.

Kyle now has the best legal representation in the country. With help from Nicholas Sandmann attorney L. Lin Wood, Pierce Bainbridge and multiple top-tier criminal defense lawyers in Wisconsin immediately offered representation to Kyle.

Today, his legal team was successful in working with the public defender to obtain a several-week continuance of his extradition hearing to September 25th. This at least partially slows down the rush to judgment by a government and media that is determined to assassinate his character and destroy his life.

Kyle, his family, the team at Pierce Bainbridge and his other lawyers intend to fight these charges every step of the way, take the case to trial and win an acquittal on the grounds of self-defense before a jury of his peers.

The legal fees and other costs of Kyle’s defense will be provided through donations to #FightBack Foundation Inc., a Texas 501(c)(4) foundation created by John Pierce and Lin Wood to protect lawabiding American citizens whose rights are being trampled on by state and local governments that are more concerned with appeasing mobs than protecting those rights.

Pierce Bainbridge founder John Pierce praised Kyle’s strength and resilience. “A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property. That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities as their forefathers did at Lexington and Concord in 1775. Kyle is not a racist or a white supremacist. He is a brave, patriotic, compassionate law-abiding American who loves his country and his community. He did nothing wrong. He defended himself, which is a fundamental right of all Americans given by God and protected by law. He is now in the crosshairs of institutional forces that are much more powerful than him. But he will stand up to them and fight not only for himself, but for all Americans and their beloved Constitution. We will never leave his side until he is victorious in that fight.”

Further updates will be provided as the investigation and legal proceedings unfold.
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Re: RM2
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2020, 06:44:07 AM »
A rational opinion piece. Challenges my own opinions on the issue.

https://steemit.com/kenosha/@lasmart613/is-kyle-rittenhouse-a-patsy-for-the-police
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