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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote ---They don't have "authority" over us, we elect them to represent us. We vote them out when they don't. WELCOME to AMERICA! Where we have certain laws that keep us (hopefully) civilized, yet still have out rights.
If you don't like it, find a country that is better at it!
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--- Quote from: ST ---I don't need a representative. The state is the #1 enemy of the individual. We don't get to choose where we're born, that's up to whoever's womb we're carried in. A free individual should get to choose whether or not to be governed, in the place that they so choose. We're forced into governance. That's not freedom.
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--- Quote ---It's called the Constitution! If you don't like it, run for office!
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--- Quote ---Free clue.
https://praxeology.net/LS-NT-6.htm
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--- Quote ---Really don't need your "free clue" from the past. Trying to live in the present and preserve what we have for my G-Kids. But thanks for your input...😎
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--- Quote ---Well statist... I'll start a convo with you tomorrow.
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--- Quote from: ST ---all the constitution ever did was put a ruling class of people in power over the commoners. The fact that people think a piece of paper has the authority to grant & take away rights is comical. As for running for office, I seriously considered doing so at some point, back when I was an indoctrinated statist. Being a felon, I'm ineligible because felons have few rights, according to the state. I'll be damned if I'm paying to expunge my record, they've extorted enough of my money. Being involved in government is counterproductive to anarchism anyway.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist."
- Lysander Spooner.
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--- Quote from: ST ---what do you want to preserve for your grandchildren? The freedom we don't have? The surveillance state we live in? The militarized police state we live in? The state-sanctioned murder of millions in lands that are thousands of miles away?
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--- Quote ---I guess, in your opinion, it's all of the above. In my opinion, it's a civilized world. You have NO idea what an actual "ruling class" is. It's why that "piece of paper" was written! And that's my ancestors!
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--- Quote from: ST ---I think I've got it now. You want your grandchildren to continue to live under government tyranny & believe that this pseudo-freedom we have is the best we can do, so long as the collective is "civilized."
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--- Quote ---Correct. I want my g-kids to vote for representatives to voice their opinions, since it would be TOTAL FUCKING CHAOS for 350million people to be voicing their opinions and considering it "law".
I have an idea, why don't you go to Seattle or Portland and express your views, they seem to think the same way. If you come out alive, get back with me...........
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--- Quote ---what's happening in said cities is the opposite of anarchism. True anarchists advocate for peace and would never advocate for the destruction of personal property. What is it about the free & voluntary association of individuals that you find so chaotic?
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--- Quote from: MT ---we don't vote them out!!!!! That's the fuckin problem!!!!!!!!
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--- Quote ---True, at least the ones you want voted out. Seems others are satisfied with them.
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--- Quote from: ST ---and what has 200+ years of voting gained anyone?? More tyranny, with every election. Doing the same thing, over & over again, expecting different results, is completely insane. Nothing will ever change until you've voted yourself into complete government control, and that's exactly what they want you to do. You're all playing the game exactly the way they want it to be played.
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--- Quote from: ST ---you seem to have a colectivist mindset.
Collectivism- A value that is characterized by emphasis on cohesiveness among individuals and prioritization of the group over the self.
Communism may be interpreted as "the state of being of or for the community".
Communism is deeply rooted in collectivist ideas.
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--- Quote from: ST ---all you seem to care about is the the collective. As long as the majority is safe & "civilized," fuck the guy who doesn't hold the same belief. His opinion is null, because his opinion does not fall in line with the collective. Comply or die.
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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote ---➽ It's called the Constitution!
Before I start to take apart your belief system, I am pausing to think about when I had the same beliefs as you.
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With that pause over...
The first Organic Document of the United States IS the Declaration of Liberty.
The Declaration of Independence, states in part:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Created equal can only mean Created with an equal lack of authority over any other human.
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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote ---ST Never said fuck the guy with that doesn't hold the same belief. Hell, do what you want! Tell that cop to "fuck off" if you want to, I'm not stopping you.
And yes, I believe we should try to have a nation that is as civilized as it can be, without government being too overreaching. And yes, I know you'll scorn me on that statement also..........
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--- Quote from: ST ---no, because there's no point in trying to show the truth to someone who doesn't want to see the truth.
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--- Quote ---LOL. That's what I hear every morning from the Liberals on Morning Joe on MSNBC! PRICELESS!
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--- Quote from: ST ---sounds like they got one thing right. Except they don't know what truth is either.
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--- Quote ---Just an observation.................
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Dale Eastman:
In reply to a meme about having to pay to use a car one already paid for (purchased)...
--- Quote from: RB in another discussion thread ---Except for that same identity uses that fee to build and maintain the roads for said car.
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--- Quote from: ST in another discussion thread ---believing everything you're told to believe.
As long as everything is "civilized" & daddy government says it's ok, then it must be ok, right? Just keep wearing your blinders, I guess. We don't need, nor want, people like you in the liberty movement anyhow.
Just keep on worshiping your Lord & savior the state. With every vote you cast, more freedoms are being confiscated by the state. With ever bill or new law you support, more freedoms are being confiscated by the state. You probably get a hard-on every year it's time to pay your taxes. It wouldn't suprise me if you donated extra "BeCauSe oF tHe RoADs!!!!"
I don't understand at all how people can't see that what's going on isn't right. It's right in front of your fucking face.
People like you are the reason we're in the situation we're in. Following the rules, & doing what your told. It makes me sick. Keep choking on daddy government's fat cock.
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--- Quote ---Looks like he went coward and is now ignoring my post in that other thread.
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Link to the last Fecesbook post was this message:
http://www.synapticsparks.info/dialog/index.php?topic=915.msg15278#msg15278
--- Quote ---Dale Eastman Not coward, just learned long ago who to debate with and who not to. You're not worth my time.
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➽ It's called the Constitution!
Before I start to take apart your belief system, I am pausing to think about when I had the same beliefs as you.
⏳ ... ... ... ⌛
With that pause over...
The first Organic Document of the United States IS the Declaration of Liberty.
The Declaration of Independence, states in part:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Created equal can only mean Created with an equal lack of authority over any other human.
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I'm not worth your time because you can't refute "Created equal can only mean Created with an equal lack of authority over any other human."
That sure fucks up any statist's belief in the authority of government.
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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote ---Then keep your fucking bullshit off of my newsfeed! I sure as hell ain't following you! LOL
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--- Quote ---I don't follow you either. Tell uncle Sam to fuck off for me the next time you're in bed together.
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--- Quote ---Too stupid to know you can set your news feed preferences...
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