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Discussions; Public Archive / Re: Discord - YDOM - Natural Law
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 25, 2024, 07:19:08 AM »
You have posted 1329 words in reply to my short essays on Natural Law. 1329 words of which 550 are mine.
I have consolidated your multiple posts and copied-pasted-quoted those words here. Discord allows less characters in a post than Fecalbook does. Please review that page and insure I copied your words verbatim.

This conglomeration of words is the source material I will be using. I will be addressing your words and comments NOT in the order they were posted.
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Discussions; Public Archive / Discord - YDOM - Natural Law
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 24, 2024, 10:03:17 AM »
I've got to say this excerpt is leaving me with so many more questions than it resolved.

⇉ Natural Law is your unalienable right to protect all of your Natural Rights from those who would attempt to encroach upon and violate those rights.  This means: If I attempt to harm you, my right to not be harmed by you is forfeit to you.

I still don't know what Natural Law is, because I don't know what this author means by "Natural rights".  It seems odd to use the term "right" to mean "right to protect rights", and I don't know how I would determine if a thing is a right or not, even given their example.  Do I have the right to eat?  Do I have the right to go where I please?  Do I have the right to defend my person from the violence you use on me upon finding me on "your" property eating food from "your" tree?  Do I have the "Natural right" to retaliate the violence you cause upon my son or friend who did this?  Without some test as to what is and is not a Natural Right, I cannot use this definition of Natural Law.

⇉ Natural Law is Quid pro Quo.  Something for Something.  That Something could be a positive or a negative.

Again, the same problem arises.  What is the Something and when does it work logically?  I take from you therefore you do not feel the pain of my beating you.  You give me your shiny object and I leave you alone.  You stop me from going where I wish and I attack your family.  All of these seem to fulfill the Quid pro Quo set, but I wouldn't think any are very desirable.  This test seems flawed, and another definition I cannot use.

⇉ Natural Law is YDOM (You Don't Own Me). YDOM is the initial natural state of being. YDOM is a self-evident truth. YDOM means: I don't own you; your life; your liberty, or your property. Since I don't own you, I do not have any authority over you. Lacking this authority over you, I can not delegate it (give it or sell it) to any body else. Since nobody else owns you either, Nobody else has authority over you either.

YDOM is self evident, so everyone understands that they cannot own property of another.  Except that it seems people very often don't understand such.  Children must be taught that what they desire is not theirs, or they simply take it.  So property cannot be self evident.  Is liberty self evident?  I have not seen many examples that children know they can go as far as they wish from their parents, but that may be learned behavior.  This also seems at odds at times with property ownership- do you have the liberty to go onto another's property?  I would think that owning yourself and your life might be self evident, but when grouped with the others here it makes me question that.  If it is self-evident, is there anyone who disagrees (as such might be a case for why it is not self-evident)?  A communist might say you belong to a collective.  A religion might say you belong to their God.  What makes Natural Law correct here and them wrong?

⇉ Primum non nocere Latin for First, do no harm. To put this in other words, Do not initiate force, violence, or harm against others. This does not preclude you from responding to initiated force and violence with your own defensive force and violence. The logical extension of Do no harm is to use only the least amount of defensive force and violence against the aggressor as required to stop the initiated force, violence, and harm. In other circles this is referred to as NAP and ZAP. (Non Aggression Principle and Zero Aggression Principle.) NAP and ZAP does not mean Pacifism. In my opinion, Pacifism is a method of inducing self harm by not protecting one's self from external harm.

I do not see how "First"  and "Do no harm" equate to "only do harm after another does harm", nor do I see how to determine from this what level of response I should have against aggression.  A guy in my house at night without my permission is a threat to my life, and I will respond as such.  Is that the "least amount of defensive force"?
I might have been able to just ask them to leave.  That might have given them a chance to attack or kill me.  How do I use this in any way as an objective measurement?


⇉ If you have, for whatever reason, initiated harm against another human, repair the harm to the victim's satisfaction. This should not be too hard to understand. Imagine if you were harmed in the same way. What would you want as compensation and repair of the harm? Offer that to the human you harmed, and if agreed to, make it happen, repair the harm you caused.

"If agreed to" seems to be pulling a lot of weight here.  What if I desire compensation you think unfair?  You broke my wooden fence, therefore I desire you to build me a brick wall.  If you don't agree, then how does this "rule" work?

⇉ There are no collective human rights without individual human rights.

Not even going to post the rest of that.  What is a collective right?  This is another new term that is not defined.  What collectives must I be a part of to get a "right"?  Which collectives prevent my getting a "right"?  Is the same as a "Natural Right" and denying it under these terms allows me to use violence upon you?

⇉ Natural Law Tool
⇉ I will give you one tool YOU can use to free yourself from your slavery: YDOM.  YDOM means You Don't Own Me.
⇉ It's the mindset of a free mind.
⇉ Here's how it will work:  Since you know that nobody owns you, you know that you do not need to obey the commands and demands that you know will cause you harm.  Anytime a tyrant (a government official) or criminal (I repeat myself) attempts to control you, just assume they intend to cause you harm; be it financial, physical, psychological, or emotional.  If you are a prudent person, you will have already decided and planned the best method to curtail such attempted victimization and use that method as planned.  There are those who believe they own others in spite of "YDOM!" being shouted from the rooftops. These tyrants and criminals must be resisted at every opportunity. A society of increasing YDOMists, would have the self defensive duty of educating the brainwashed, indoctrinated, inculcated dumb masses who need to awaken to rejecting and resisting their slavery.  YDOMists would know that government is a criminal syndicate that extorts people for money and control, and would resist extortionists because extortionists do NOT own their victims.

I can appreciate the desire to be free.  I can also see quite easily how such a "tool" can be fatal for the person using it, especially if they have not been able to determine who is a "criminal tyrant attempting to control you".  "Don't go on my property" "You don't own me!" (Gunshots ensue). Absent context, is this a property owner defending their house, or a tyrant stopping someone from entering unowned (or "collectively" owned) property?
"STOP! DONT GO IN THERE!"  "You don't own me!"  (Insert dangerous situation of your choice- electrical wires in water, fire that was contained rapidly expanding, dangerous animals attacking, delicate immunocompromised individuals dying) A dangerous tool that can be easily misused is not one I would give without warnings.




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Discussions; Public Archive / Re: VG
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 14, 2024, 01:44:10 PM »
Quote from: 12 July @ 19:45
VG: "If they arrest you, and present you with the birth certificate as the proof of the contract between you and government..."

JS: Has that EVER happened? No, it hasn't.
Quote from: 13 July @ 13:08
JS Because no one ever demanded this in reality

Quote from: 13 July @ 13:40
I demand to know where the certified copies of my alleged consent,with my signature on the consent form is being stored.
"
The authorities"would answer something like "You birth certificate is stored in the archive of the Registrar's office

You:I demand to know where the copies of the terms I allegedly agreed to are being stored

They:You birth certificate is stored in the archive of the Registrar's office

You:I demand proof of this alleged consent,to be ruled,governed or owned presented IMMEDIATELY !!!

They:You have right to remain silenced.Everything you demand will be presented to you in the court of law

You:Failure to do so immediately is government's testimony and my evidence,that this alleged consent does not exist

They put you under psychological evaluation which is rigged and put you in the mental asylum
Quote from: 14 July @ 15:24
The authorities"would answer something like "You birth certificate is stored in the archive of the Registrar's office

Present your evidence proving your claim.

They:You birth certificate is stored in the archive of the Registrar's office

Present your evidence proving your claim.

They:You have right to remain silenced.Everything you demand will be presented to you in the court of law

Present your evidence proving your claim.

They put you under psychological evaluation which is rigged and put you in the mental asylum

Present your evidence proving your claim.
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Discussions; Public Archive / VG
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 13, 2024, 05:37:55 AM »
Quote from: Original Post: 11 July @ 07:21
Quote from: 11 July @ 07:40
Quote from: 11 July @ 10:05
Dale Eastman And then you will be presented with the prove that your parents sold you to the government in form of birth certificate
Quote from: 11 July @ 10:33
Please present your evidence proving your claim.
Quote from: 11 July @ 11:20
Dale Eastman How about you check yourself and refute me If I am wrong ?
Quote from: 11 July @ 14:14
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Quote from: 11 July @ 16:57
Dale Eastman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USvJd8iVeXQ
Quote from: 11 July @ 17:02
Dale Eastman I am not even disagreeing with you in the essence.I am just pointing out that there is a contract between you and the government,only you and most of the people don't know what it is.And yes,you never signed anything,but your parents did.This is why I suggesting you to do your own research in order to avoid my subjectivity.
Quote from: 11 July @ 07:15
2 + 2 DOES NOT EQUAL 7.
You owe me $100 for the time I wasted viewing your water cooler hear say.
The Earth IS NOT FLAT.
I look forward to your funny attempts to double down on your blowing smoke up my ass.
Quote from: 12 July @ 10:20
Dale Eastman So ..to lazy to check out something,and somehow I am,what? Delusional conspiracy theorist who owe you something ???? 😃 😃 😃 Grow up ..
Quote from: 12 July @ 10:27
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Quote from: 12 July @ 10:39
Dale Eastman I suggest you should read it too
Quote from: 12 July @ 10:44
You made one or more claims. Present your evidence, else your mere opinion means nothing.,
Quote from: 12 July @ 11:08
Dale Eastman No.You made some claims in your post.All I did was pointing out what the so called authorities will use against you.Don't believe me?Here are simple steps you for you to fallow in order to get the proof

1.Break the law
2.Let yourself get caught
3.Apply everything from your post

If "Authorities"let you go and say.We have no contract with you,and therefore can not arrest you or punish you.You win and I will sent you 100$

If they arrest you,and present you with the birth certificate as the prof of the contract between you and government.I win and you will sent me 100$
Deal?
Quote from: 12 July @ 15:31
You just offered up your opinion without evidence again.

birth certificate noun: a copy of an official record of a person's date and place of birth and parentage

“Birth certificate.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti.../birth%20certificate. Accessed 12 Jul. 2024.

1.Break the law

In your own words, please present exactly what YOU mean when YOU use the word "Law".

Please present the what, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of what YOU mean when YOU use the word "law"?

You made some claims in your post.

Support your claim that I made claims with evidence.
Copy-paste-quote my words that you are claiming I used to make a claim.
Quote from: 12 July @ 16:15
Dale Eastman I gave you a link with 5 min explanation of what about a birth certificate and the government in general.I saw it many years ago.It is all there.My claim is this.You are coned by the government like the most of humanity in to thinking that ...birth certificate noun: is a copy of an official record of a person's date and place of birth and parentage...

This is also a birth certificate quote "A birth certificate is a document issued by a government that records the birth of a child for vital statistics, tax, military, and census purposes. The birth certificate is among the first legal documents an individual might acquire. They are so common that we might even overlook their significance. In the United States, birth certificates serve as proof of an individual’s age, citizenship status, and identity. They are necessary to obtain a social security number, apply for a passport, enroll in schools, get a driver’s license, gain employment, or apply for other benefits.

The law to me is.The one small group of people,writes something on the paper and demand that the rest of the people obey what is written on that paper,under the treat of violence.

Your request:Please present the what, specifically, are the traits, properties, attributes, characteristics & elements of what YOU mean when YOU use the word "law"?

My answer:The law/order is a fantasy shared by billions of people,because it gives them a false sense of safety and security.In the center of that nightmare is something called authority,which should be taken seriously only as a threat

My claim is that a birth certificate is more significant fraud then it appears to be,meant to trick people in to believe that they have some obligation towards fiction called government.I have no intention of proving that
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Memes / VOTE HARDER!
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 09, 2024, 10:12:42 AM »
VOTE HARDER!
This is my sarcastic comment making fun about you VOTARDS
(Voting Retards)
Who think voting changes anything of importance.
You are too stupid to understand this
because you graduated from a government run school.
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⚠⚠ / Carnivore Questions (only)
« Last post by Dale Eastman on July 02, 2024, 06:06:59 AM »
Some Carnivore Questions to think about.

When was agriculture invented?

How long have humans been on earth?

What did humans eat before agriculture was invented?

What fueled the brain before agriculture?
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⚠⚠ / Carnivore Questions
« Last post by Dale Eastman on June 23, 2024, 09:46:34 AM »
Some questions to think about.

When was agriculture invented?
Agriculture likely began during the Neolithic Era before roughly 9000 BCE when polished stone tools were developed and the last ice age ended.
The first agriculture appears to have developed at the closing of the last Pleistocene glacial period, or Ice Age (about 11,700 years ago).
Since its first tentative steps during the Neolithic era, agriculture has been a major driving force behind human culture for about 10,000 years.
How long have humans been on earth?
But fragments of 300,000-year-old skulls, jaws, teeth and other fossils found at Jebel Irhoud, a rich site also home to advanced stone tools, are the oldest Homo sapiens remains yet found.
Homo sapiens, who are the modern form of humans evolved 300,000 years ago from Homo erectus. Human civilizations started forming around 6,000 years ago.
What did humans eat before agriculture was invented?
By about two and a half million years ago, early humans started to occasionally eat meat. By about 2 million years ago, this happened more regularly. By probably about a million and a half years ago, humans started to get the better parts of animals. They shifted from just scavenging the leftovers to maybe getting earlier access to carcasses.
A Stone Age diet “is the one and only diet that ideally fits our genetic makeup,” writes Loren Cordain, an evolutionary nutritionist at Colorado State University [...] After studying the diets of living hunter-gatherers and concluding that 73 percent of these societies derived more than half their calories from meat, Cordain came up with his own Paleo prescription: Eat plenty of lean meat and fish but not dairy products, beans, or cereal grains
What fueled the brain before agriculture?
The growth of the human brain is evolutionarily outstanding, because the brain is a costly organ. The Homo sapiens brain uses 20% of the body's oxygen at rest despite making up only 2% of the body's weight.
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Canned Text Topics / Dot.Gov Reified
« Last post by Dale Eastman on June 22, 2024, 08:29:25 AM »
Referring to "government" as a single entity is an error of reification .
𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕡𝕖𝕕𝕚𝕒 𝕨𝕣𝕠𝕥𝕖:
𝑅𝑒𝒾𝒻𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 (𝒶𝓁𝓈𝑜 𝓀𝓃𝑜𝓌𝓃 𝒶𝓈 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉𝒾𝓈𝓂, 𝒽𝓎𝓅𝑜𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓉𝒾𝓏𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃, 𝑜𝓇 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒻𝒶𝓁𝓁𝒶𝒸𝓎 𝑜𝒻 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓅𝓁𝒶𝒸𝑒𝒹 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉𝑒𝓃𝑒𝓈𝓈) 𝒾𝓈 𝒶 𝒻𝒶𝓁𝓁𝒶𝒸𝓎 𝑜𝒻 𝒶𝓂𝒷𝒾𝑔𝓊𝒾𝓉𝓎, 𝓌𝒽𝑒𝓃 𝒶𝓃 𝒶𝒷𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒶𝒸𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 (𝒶𝒷𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒶𝒸𝓉 𝒷𝑒𝓁𝒾𝑒𝒻 𝑜𝓇 𝒽𝓎𝓅𝑜𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓉𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝓈𝓉𝓇𝓊𝒸𝓉) 𝒾𝓈 𝓉𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓉𝑒𝒹 𝒶𝓈 𝒾𝒻 𝒾𝓉 𝓌𝑒𝓇𝑒 𝒶 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉𝑒 𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓁 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓃𝓉 𝑜𝓇 𝓅𝒽𝓎𝓈𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 𝑒𝓃𝓉𝒾𝓉𝓎. 𝐼𝓃 𝑜𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓇 𝓌𝑜𝓇𝒹𝓈, 𝒾𝓉 𝒾𝓈 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝑒𝓇𝓇𝑜𝓇 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓈𝑜𝓂𝑒𝓉𝒽𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒾𝓈 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉𝑒, 𝓈𝓊𝒸𝒽 𝒶𝓈 𝒶𝓃 𝒾𝒹𝑒𝒶, 𝒶𝓈 𝒶 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝒾𝓃𝑔. 𝒜 𝒸𝑜𝓂𝓂𝑜𝓃 𝒸𝒶𝓈𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓇𝑒𝒾𝒻𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒾𝓈 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝒻𝓊𝓈𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝑜𝒻 𝒶 𝓂𝑜𝒹𝑒𝓁 𝓌𝒾𝓉𝒽 𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓁𝒾𝓉𝓎: "𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓂𝒶𝓅 𝒾𝓈 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓉𝑒𝓇𝓇𝒾𝓉𝑜𝓇𝓎".
𝑅𝑒𝒾𝒻𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒾𝓈 𝓅𝒶𝓇𝓉 𝑜𝒻 𝓃𝑜𝓇𝓂𝒶𝓁 𝓊𝓈𝒶𝑔𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓃𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓇𝒶𝓁 𝓁𝒶𝓃𝑔𝓊𝒶𝑔𝑒 (𝒿𝓊𝓈𝓉 𝓁𝒾𝓀𝑒 𝓂𝑒𝓉𝑜𝓃𝓎𝓂𝓎 𝒻𝑜𝓇 𝒾𝓃𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓃𝒸𝑒), 𝒶𝓈 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁 𝒶𝓈 𝑜𝒻 𝓁𝒾𝓉𝑒𝓇𝒶𝓉𝓊𝓇𝑒, 𝓌𝒽𝑒𝓇𝑒 𝒶 𝓇𝑒𝒾𝒻𝒾𝑒𝒹 𝒶𝒷𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒶𝒸𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒾𝓈 𝒾𝓃𝓉𝑒𝓃𝒹𝑒𝒹 𝒶𝓈 𝒶 𝒻𝒾𝑔𝓊𝓇𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓈𝓅𝑒𝑒𝒸𝒽, 𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝒶𝒸𝓉𝓊𝒶𝓁𝓁𝓎 𝓊𝓃𝒹𝑒𝓇𝓈𝓉𝑜𝑜𝒹 𝒶𝓈 𝓈𝓊𝒸𝒽. 𝐵𝓊𝓉 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓊𝓈𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓇𝑒𝒾𝒻𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒾𝓃 𝓁𝑜𝑔𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓈𝑜𝓃𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝑜𝓇 𝓇𝒽𝑒𝓉𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒸 𝒾𝓈 𝓂𝒾𝓈𝓁𝑒𝒶𝒹𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝓊𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁𝓁𝓎 𝓇𝑒𝑔𝒶𝓇𝒹𝑒𝒹 𝒶𝓈 𝒶 𝒻𝒶𝓁𝓁𝒶𝒸𝓎.
What Government Is
Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny are all imaginary entities.
These imaginary entities need a non-imaginary human to act for these imaginary entities: to leave children's presents under the tree; to hide the eggs; to take the teeth and leave the money.
Government is also an imaginary entity. Just like the previously listed imaginary entities, it has no will to act, nor hands to do the action.
Government never started a war, fought a war, nor taxed anybody. Government never kicked anybody out of their homes to take their homes for back taxes.
Humans did.
Government is imaginary and doesn't exist. Humans acting as if they are government do exist. To help you remember this, just replace the word government with Santa Claus whenever you see it.
What Government Does
Well... I can't write about what government does can I... Because government doesn't do anything.
What I can write about is what humans do while pretending to be government. Following my own advice at the end of the prior section: What I can write about is what humans do while pretending to be (Santa).
Humans do vile acts but the imaginary entity called (Santa) gets the blame.
What humans pretending to be (Santa) do... is lie about (Santa).
The first lie can be found in the Declaration of Independence, the first organic document of the United States. The lie, specifically and to wit, is:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, [...]
Clearly, this document states that the purpose of (Santa) is to secure rights. Any (Santa) that abstains from protecting these rights is a (Santa) that is ignoring its raison d'être. Or, in more precise words, the humans acting as and for (Santa) are ignoring the reason their (Santa) jobs exist in the first place.
You get the idea. The entities of Government, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or Santa, are all just reified concepts.
When I write "government" I mean a reified mental concept; an imaginary entity; a legal fiction; a nonhuman person. Because such a legal fiction needs humans to act for it, the legal fiction itself can not be culpable for initiatory and offensive harm and aggression against humans. Only humans acting in the name of the legal fiction can cause harm to other humans. Only humans actually causing the harm with their actions are culpable for the harms scapegoated onto the legal fiction. The only difference between government and Santa Clause is somebody eventually told you the truth about Santa. I intend to tell you the truth about government. I am no more anti-government than government is anti-human.
The most poisonous critters on this planet are not anti-human. If you don't disturb them, they'll leave you alone. Prior to eight years of age, I got "educated" by a bumblebee. Without human language, that bee told me, "Fuck around and find out." No stinger. It bit me. Its way to slapping some sense into me.
On the other hand, government, or more specifically its actors, will go out of their way to harm humans who have not harmed anybody. If you like government, you like its actors going out of their way to harm humans who have not harmed anybody. If you advocate for government, you are advocating for harming innocent humans. There is no other way to view this.
Government actors, just like my seven year old self, need to find out there will be Natural Law repercussions from harming or attempting to harm other humans.
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Canned Text Topics / Building inspector
« Last post by Dale Eastman on June 20, 2024, 10:28:55 AM »
1. Are you doing the functions of a government action?

2. Does this mean you are acting as government?

3. Do these actions include telling people what they can or can not do?

4. Is telling people what the can and can not do, governing or ruling them?

5. If they refuse to do what you say, will other government actors punish those refusing?

6. Where do you imagine your alleged right to govern or rule came from?

7. Did the American Declaration of Independence claim government's right to rule came from the consent of the people, Using these specific words: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

8. Can you produce my notarized certificate wherein I consented to be governed?
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Discussions; Public Archive / SM
« Last post by Dale Eastman on June 18, 2024, 07:01:55 AM »
Quote from: 17 July @ 10:38, OCR original post meme
Truth: Restaurants are informing us that servers no longer get to "cash-out " their credit card tips at the end of shift. The restaurant owner/ manager tallies the credit receipts & the tips get taxed & applied to the servers' payroll check every week/ 2 weeks. A lot of restaurants have already gone this direction. So with that being said, TIP YOUR SERVER IN CASH $ if you can . With so many people paying by credit card many servers are going home empty-handed at the end of their shift . 'Just something to think about entering this holiday season
Quote from: 17 July @ 10:42
Just in case you want to look it up.
Olk v. United States, 536 F2d 876 (1975):
"Tips are gifts and therefore are not taxable."
Quote from: 17 July @ 11:48
This is a suit to obtain a refund of federal income taxes. The issue is whether monies, called "tokes" in the relevant trade, received by the taxpayer, a craps dealer employed by Las Vegas casinos, constitute taxable income or gifts within the meaning of section 102(a), INT. REV. CODE of 1954. The taxpayer insists "tokes" are non-taxable gifts. If he is right, he is entitled to the refund for which this suit was brought. The trial court in a trial without a jury held that "tokes" were gifts. The Government appealed and we reverse and hold that "tokes" are taxable income.
https://www.anylaw.com/.../06-01-1976/dojYP2YBTlTomsSBoRJB

Try actually reading the case.

The[n] go find out what a "taxpayer" is.
Quote from: 17 July @ 12:04
Dale Eastman A taxpayer is a 14th Amendment citizen.
according to 26 CFR § 1.1-1(c)
If you are not also "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" then you cannot be a taxpayer.
Note to self:26 CFR § 1.1-1(c)
Quote from: 17 July @ 12:39
You don't know what you don't know.
Answer these questions.
https://synapticsparks.info/tax/OpenQuestionnaire.html
Quote from: 17 July @ 17:19
Dale Eastman I quote the 14th Amendment and cite a tax regulation that uses the exact same language. Then you tell me I'm ignorant.
I'm familiar with tax arguments. I have not filed a tax return in 24 years.
What part makes me ignorant?
Quote from: 17 July @ 18:58
WRONG!
26 U.S. Code § 7701 - Definitions
(a) When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof—
(14) Taxpayer
The term “taxpayer” means any person subject to any internal revenue tax.

The revenue laws are a code or system in regulation of tax assessment and collection. They relate to taxpayers and not to nontaxpayers. The latter are without their scope. No procedure is prescribed for nontaxpayers, and no attempt is made to annul any of their rights and remedies in due course of law. With them Congress does not assume to deal, and they are neither the subject nor object of revenue laws.
Long v. Rasmussen, 281 F. 236 (1922)

FN3.
The term "taxpayer" in this opinion is used in the strict or narrow sense contemplated by the Internal Revenue Code and means a person who pays, overpays, or is subject to pay his own personal income tax. (See Section 7701(a)(14) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954.) A "nontaxpayer" is a person who does not possess the foregoing requisites of a taxpayer.
Economy Plumbing and Heating Co. v. U.S.,
470 F. 2d 585 (1972)

History
Most of the significant history of the 14th Amendment appears in the text of Original Intent's citizenship treatise. However, one historical fact is not included because it was presumed during the construction of the treatise that every American knows that the 14th Amendment was created to nullify the holding of the United States Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 404 (1856).

Oddly, while the nullification of the Dred Scott decision is universally acknowledged as the reason the 14th Amendment was thought necessary, some ill-informed and/or illogical expositors attempt to use the Dred case as their rationale to turn the true meaning of the Amendment on its head. Fortunately, the words of Chief Justice Taney (author of the Dred decision) are unmistakably clear.
http://originalintent.org/edu/14thamend.php
Quote from: 17 July @ 19:32
Dale Eastman So what?
Why do you assume that restaurant servers are taxpayers?
Quote from: 17 July @ 20:53
Why do you assume that restaurant servers are taxpayers?

I don't. The original post points out that the restaurant owners do.
Quote from: 18 July @ 05:51
What makes restaurant servers completely subject to federal jurisdiction of the 14th Amendment?

Most of the significant history of the 14th Amendment appears in the text of Original Intent's citizenship treatise. However, one historical fact is not included because it was presumed during the construction of the treatise that every American knows that the 14th Amendment was created to nullify the holding of the United States Supreme Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 404 (1856).

Oddly, while the nullification of the Dred Scott decision is universally acknowledged as the reason the 14th Amendment was thought necessary, some ill-informed and/or illogical expositors attempt to use the Dred case as their rationale to turn the true meaning of the Amendment on its head. Fortunately, the words of Chief Justice Taney (author of the Dred decision) are unmistakably clear.

http://originalintent.org/edu/14thamend.php

My notes based upon reviewing the above dialog. By putting them here, you get to see how I think. I will delete these notes as I incorporate them in further replies.
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