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Dale Eastman:
--- Quote ---Did you all know when Larken escaped the womb he literally became an anarchist from that second forward? From that day forward he never once voted, supported a government policy or even believed in the state existing. In fact, before Larken, anarchy didn't even exist. He didn't need a single idea to set him on the path to anarchy because he was anarchy from day one. If a cop walks within 10 yards of him, they denounce the laws they uphold and only care about the NAP! Taxation even ceases to exist, the IRS vanishes the instant he confronts them and tells him he doesn't vote. With the wave of his finger the entire military can vanish! When he doesn't vote politicians can't pass new laws or taxes either. He's the man of principle, literally changing the world every time he doesn't vote.
Meanwhile us plebians, who once believed in state and needed exposed to ideas that got us started on our path to anarchy, are unprincipled for thinking it's a good idea to vote for someone who pushes ideas similar to the ones that did exactly that are bad. Us realizing the state exists regardless and it's better to vote for a party that doesn't want to tax us and limit our freedoms are also unprincipled. Not voting and not showing the world other options exist is the way to defeat statism. If only we could be as pure and upholding as the almighty Larken who literally can turn a statist into an anarchist by whispering taxation is theft and nothing more. Man I really wish I was that guy...
On a serious note Larken, you've always been a great debater and form great arguments, but your stances on voting are easily your weakest arguments and debates in your arsenal. Your ego getting in the way of seeing that is also a pretty big weakness. Get over yourself, you're accomplishing nothing except looking like a someone who is on a high horse patting themselves on the back
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--- Quote ---If you vote for a politician to become a Legislator,
You vote for a person who drafts and enacts rules.
You vote for somebody who makes rules people must obey under penalty of death.
If you vote for a politician to become a Mayor, Governor, or President,
You vote for a person to enforce the rules made by Legislators.
You vote for somebody to make people obey or kill people if they resist.
Thus, If you vote, you give your consent to a gang of criminal extortionists and validate a corrupt system.
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--- Quote ---Guess what, if you don't vote that still happens. Would you rather have someone gain that position who wants less taxes, more liberty and less government or one of the 2 major parties that do the opposite?
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--- Quote ---Lemme make sure I understand your question. You're asking me if I want to be ruled by somebody who extorts less from me than somebody who extorts more from me.
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--- Quote ---you're ruled by someone regardless. You live under the state. Would you rather your ruler be a person who wants less taxation, more liberty and less government or one of the 2 major parties who do the opposite?
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--- Quote ---Do I correctly understand you. Are you asking me if I want to be ruled by somebody who extorts less from me or somebody who extorts more from me?
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--- Quote ---Since you're being extorted regardless yes I am asking you that. Also, how did you become an ancap?
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--- Quote ---Thank you. Now you and I are starting to communicate.
Now, why are you ignoring the "extortion" part?
Isn't extorting people a criminal act?
Don't you believe you have a right to protect yourself from extortion?
Looks to me like your belief in protecting your self from extortion is to choose less extortion.
News flash, more or less extortion is still a criminal act.
Turnabout being fair play:
I'm not an "ancap." I don't remember what that label was/is supposed to denote. I don't care either. I'll supply my own label, thank you. I'm a voluntaryist and a YDOMist.
How did I get to "anarchist"? Critical thinking, logic, and observation of the system you "SEEM" to be supporting. As I have refined my thinking for over a decade, I have boiled it down to a simple question that when followed up, makes people's heads explode.
Government By What Authority?
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--- Quote ---extortion is a crime but that doesn't change the fact you're being extorted by the state regardless. Would you rather be extorted for less or more? You know you can vote and be an anarchist/voluntaryist right? If you want to get into splitting hairs and purity you're not a voluntaryist and I'm not an anarchist, we both live under a state and don't fully practice either of those concepts. You drive on roads, which require extortion to maintain. You pay for permits. You pay fines for breaking laws. You pay taxes. How can you be a voluntaryist while doing all those things and using government infrastructure that requires extortion to build and maintain?
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--- Quote ---➽ extortion is a crime but that doesn't change the fact you're being extorted by the state regardless.
And pointing out that people are being extorted by the state doesn't make it not a crime.
➽ Would you rather be extorted for less or more?
Would you rather be a slave to a harsh master or a less harsh master?
➽ You know you can vote and be an anarchist/voluntaryist right?
Why I Won't Vote
If you vote for a politician to become a Legislator,
You vote for a person who drafts and enacts rules.
You vote for somebody who makes rules people must obey under penalty of death.
If you vote for a politician to become a Mayor, Governor, or President,
You vote for a person to enforce the rules made by Legislators.
You vote for somebody to make people obey or kill people if they resist.
I don't have any right to choose a tyrant to have authority over you.
I don't have any authority over you that I could delegate to a tyrant by voting anyway.
Voting for the lessor of two evils is still voting for evil.
I refuse to condone the evil that the criminal syndicate called government has done in the name of The People.
Voting For Cake
If a group of people are asked to vote for either a chocolate cake or a vanilla cake, the majority group's decision controls what the minority group gets. If you absolutely hate the taste of chocolate cake and that's what the majority wants, then you eat chocolate cake or nothing.
Unlike the results of other votes, 'government' people with guns don't come and force you to eat the chocolate cake.
Voting is Majority Tyranny
Voting is where a collective of individual humans perform an act that allows the majority of those individuals to control the minority of those individuals. Voters have somehow become convinced that it is their duty to be controlled by what the majority has chosen for them.
This is proven by observing minority voters honoring and obeying the result of the majority vote; whether it is to eat chocolate cake; pay extra taxes; or be represented by an elected alleged Representative who provably does not represent the minority.
Since none of the majority has any non bogus authority over the minority, what the majority wishes and votes for creates no legitimate demand on any of the minority.
Which means that voting will always be the majority controlling the minority until people awake to the fact that none of the majority was born with non bogus authority over them or anybody else.
➽ If you want to get into splitting hairs and purity you're not a voluntaryist [...]
Evidence?
➽ If you want to get into splitting hairs and purity [...] I'm not an anarchist.
That is quite clear by your statist posts.
➽ [...] we both live under a state [...]
What does it mean to "live under a state"?
I know what it means to live under a state's extortion.
➽ You drive on roads, which require extortion to maintain. You pay for permits. You pay fines for breaking laws. You pay taxes. How can you be a voluntaryist while doing all those things and using government infrastructure that requires extortion to build and maintain?
How is that supposed to make me want to vote?
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--- Quote ---those things still happen when you don't vote so you're accomplishing nothing
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--- Quote ---Isn't your agenda that you want people to vote?
How is what you've been posting supposed to make me want to vote?
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--- Quote ---I don't have an agenda. Me pointing out if you don't vote you still get extorted and politicians still rule over you is reality. Don't vote, that's your right. But your argument that voting for someone who wants to lessen the government extorting you, lessen government a around and give us more liberty is somehow not a step in the right direction is a stupid purity test that accomplishes nothing. Call me statist all day like a childish lefty calls someone a nazi, but if you want less extortion while you're forced to live under the state not voting isn't doing it.
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--- Quote ---➽ Me pointing out if you don't vote you still get extorted and politicians still rule over you is reality.
I never said it wasn't reality.
➽ But your argument that voting for someone who wants to lessen the government extorting you, lessen government a around and give us more liberty is somehow not a step in the right direction is a stupid purity test that accomplishes nothing.
Your argument is that voting for someone to extort you is a step in the right direction.
So I'm going to dig into my meme collection and post them over several replies.
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