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« on: August 22, 2020, 05:23:58 PM »
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Statism Is Slavery
When the dingbats believe the only way to help people is by putting a gun to their head and then calling it taxation, this is the dingbat meme you got I guess lol
Agori$t

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Statism Is Slavery
when dingbats think taxation is theft lmao

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I don't know what your definition of slavery is...
here's mine:
Slave owners had an alleged right to all of a slave's life, all of the compensation of the slave's labor, and a complete cancellation of a slave's free will.
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Illuminate The Delusions
well I'll tell you what i dont consider slavery : paying taxes to live in a society with social safety nets and other communal benefits.

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Appreciate the reply. Thanks.
Please correct me if I've misconstrued what you wrote.
YOU don't see YOU paying taxes as slavery.
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Illuminate The Delusions
no problem. and no, i don't see Anyone paying taxes(not just me)as a form of slavery, trying to draw a comparison is short sighted and very naive.

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Obviously you and I have a difference of opinion. And again, because of my experience with others, I appreciate the focus of attention on those points of contention.
I am aware of the "free rider problem" so let me just nip that in the bud. Actually, let me just set that aside for the time being... Meaning I am not adverse to coming back to it at a later time/day.
So taking another liberty with your words, are you agreeing that you "voluntarily" pay taxes?

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Illuminate The Delusions
a difference of opinion would be favoring one type of food to another. The fact is taxation by definition is not theft, whether you like paying them or not.

Illuminate The Delusions
just cause you dont like something, doesnt make it theft by default.

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I note that you did not answer my question, To wit:
Are you agreeing that you "voluntarily" pay taxes?
Simple yes or no question.
You stated, that is, you made a claim:
The fact is taxation by definition is not theft, whether you like paying them or not.
RM, I understand that is YOUR OPINION. Your CLAIM does not make your opinion a fact.
Evidence and proof does. You got any other than to claim your opinion is fact?
Then in Your second comment, you stated:
just cause you dont like something, doesnt make it theft by default.
So since theft is a part of the topic,
What, specifically, do you mean when you use the word "theft"?
When I use the word "theft" I specifically mean taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission and/or without the owner's consent.
So taking my money without my consent under the euphemism of taxation is theft. So let's see you spin the meaning of theft.

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Just because you FEEL something is theft doesnt make it theft. I've engaged with enough ancaps/libertarians to know you wont except any other defenition of theft besides your own. thats fine. It doesnt change the real world.

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I like how you ignored what theft is.
Why is that?
Doesn't match your narrative?

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Illuminate The Delusions
you know damn well what theft is lol your just being intentionally uptuse but ok bro.

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I just love how people insist on calling me by their maiden names.
Repeating what I previously posted:
When I use the word "theft" I specifically mean taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission and/or without the owner's consent.
Repeating what you previously posted:
Just because you FEEL something is theft doesnt make it theft.
Do I understand your point correctly?
Are you stating that just because I THINK taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission and/or without the owner's consent is theft doesn't make such taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission theft?
Have I correctly parsed your intent?

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Taxation is not theft, its the price you pay to live in a fully fleshed out society. With that being said, does everyone agree with every dollar thats being spent? of course not. Is it theft? absolutly not. taxation is the mechinism used to pay for communal goods and services. You are free to leave society of course and choose to start your own "what ever you want to call it"(state, country, stateless society etc...) you could argue that tax dollars have been misspent, but that still wouldnt equate to theft tho.

Illuminate The Delusions
no actually im saying you are consenting by living in said society. that would be the consent, therefore its not theft.

Illuminate The Delusions if you dont consent, you are free to leave. no one is going to stop you from leaving and starting your own society, just stop trying to freeload off the rest of us who contribute.

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I will not be addressing your last three comments until you answer the question I asked you. I don't want to misunderstand what you are saying.
Again:
Do I understand your point correctly?
Are you stating that just because I THINK taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission and/or without the owner's consent is theft doesn't make such taking something against the owner's will, without the owner's permission theft?
Have I correctly parsed your intent?
If I have correctly parsed your intent, a simple yes will suffice. If I am in error, please explain what and where.

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Illuminate The Delusions
lol what? i addressed ur point that u claim its theft because you dont consent. i explained to you that consent is implied by you staying in the country. if you did not consent you are free to leave, therefore its not theft. its really not that hard to wrap your head around. that is unless you are being intentionally ubstuse, wich is exactly what i claimed you were doing hours ago lmao

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Well you owe me $1000, payable immediately because I'm taxing you for the privilege of interacting with me. You consented by interacting with me.

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Illuminate The Delusions
thats not how taxation works, but thanks for demonstrating that fact.

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Okay.
Putting aside the fact that I just made a claim about what you consented to by implication, using the exact same method as you... Claiming your opinion is a fact, without any evidence...
Pretend I'm as dumb as you think I am and please explain, exactly, how taxation in the Middle North American criminal syndicate's territory works.

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Illuminate The Delusions
If you truly believe taxation is theft then leave and start a new society that isn't built on taxation, thats perfectly fine and i wish you the best of luck.

Illuminate The Delusions
its not my job to educate you on your tax codes and laws lol like what?

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You basically just stated I don't know anything about how taxation works.
In response to your implication that you are smarter than me on this issue, I challenged you to elucidate all of us readers that aren't as smart about taxation as you are.
If you know as much about taxation as you want us to believe, it should be quite simple for you to educate us dummies.
Otherwise... You're just a poser.

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Illuminate The Delusions I never implied anything about anyones intelligence, if you percieved it as such thats on you. I simply stated taxation wasn't theft, explained why, and now all of sudden im an expert on taxation? lol what is really going on here?

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You stated, and I quote:
Illuminate The Delusions
thats not how taxation works, but thanks for demonstrating that fact.
Here's the link: [REDACTED]

Obviously if you can tell me I'm wrong about how taxation works, then you MUST know how taxation works.
So please master, tell me how taxation works.


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What is really going on here is that I'm not accepting your claims and your opinions as fact.
I'm trying to be polite, but here's what I think you are doing with your opinions and claims.

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Illuminate The Delusions
thats fine, you can think what ever you like, we live in a free country. it wont change the fact taxation is not theft tho.

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Your opinion is just that. Your opinion.
Maybe tomorrow I'll address your other errant claims.





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if I take something that belongs to you and give it to someone else, that's called theft.

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except your taxes dont belong to you, thats the problem.

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of course. my taxes aren't mine.🤔

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they arent. and by choosing to live in the usa(im assuming your American) you are consenting to taxation. im sorry if you cant reconcile with this fact, ancaps have issues with it.

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name a country that doesn't have taxes.

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exactly, its almost like you need some form of taxation or another to run a society 🤔 😉 😏 but regardless if you disagree you are FREE TO START YOUR OWN lmao

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2020, 08:40:38 AM »
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You stated:
Just because you FEEL something is theft doesnt make it theft.

You stated:
you know damn well what theft is lol your just being intentionally uptuse but ok bro.

You stated:
I've engaged with enough ancaps/libertarians to know you wont except any other defenition of theft besides your own.

Prior to these words of yours, I asked:
What, specifically, do you mean when you use the word "theft"?

Point of Logic:
I can neither accept nor use a definition that is deliberately not provided when requested.
So who is being intentionally obtuse, bro?

Equivocation is using a term with more than one meaning in a statement without specifying which meaning is intended.
This is from Wikipedia regarding informal fallacies. Do I need to post the link?

This is why I have been specific in asking you the meaning YOU intend with certain words you use.
Your refusal to provide meanings suggests that you are deliberately attempting to equivocate.
Quite convenient when someone doesn't want to be held to their words.

You specifically claimed:
Taxation is not theft.

I specifically claim:
Whgbges is not Gtmnsp.

See the problem?
You don't know what I mean by either Whgbges or Gtmnsp.
Without agreement as to meanings intended, it is like attempting to communicate using two different languages.

So again:
What do you mean by theft?
What do you mean by taxation?
Please be specific. Precision matters.

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Illuminate The Delusions
Taxation is absolutely not theft. I already explained why, there is absolutely no reason for me to spell it out for you twice. Of course we can agree to disagree, thats perfectly fine. If you do stand by your convictions how ever, it would make way more sence for you to move away from taxation. its pretty simple really. but instead you choose to keep living in a society that was built by taxation all the while crying about it being theft.

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I did NOT ask you what you do NOT mean by taxation, did I?

So I'm going to ask you AGAIN:
What do you mean by taxation?
Please be specific. Precision matters.

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Illuminate The Delusions
wow ok here is my definition of taxation i guess lmao : Taxation refers to the practice of a government collecting money from its citizens to pay for public services.

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Excellent! Thank you.
When government collects "income" tax, where does the money collected come from?

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Illuminate The Delusions
😆 🤣 😂 Taxation is not theft no matter how your about to spin it here chum.

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Illuminate The Delusions
and again, if you FEEL so strongly on it, leave the society that was built on taxation please.

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I did NOT ask you for your opinion, did I?
So I'm going to ask you AGAIN:
When government collects "income" tax, where does the money collected come from?
Please be specific. Precision matters.

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Illuminate The Delusions
i dont care what you asked me bro, my point stands. taxation is not theft.

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Please explain to myself and anybody else reading this exchange,
Why are you so afraid to answer simple questions?

For the third time:
When government collects "income" tax, where does the money collected come from?

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Illuminate The Delusions im not afraid of anything, im just not here to answer your questions, if you have a point you should probably make it already lmao
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Straight from Wikipedia:
Question dodging is a rhetorical technique involving the intentional avoidance of answering a question. This may occur when the person questioned either does not know the answer and wants to avoid embarrassment, or when the person is being interrogated or questioned in debate, and wants to avoid giving a direct response.

My point; The point of my question asking; is to examine your (f)actual knowledge (or belief or opinion) regarding the topic of taxation that you so adamantly make a specific claim about. You are so sure of what taxation is not, yet you refuse to discuss what taxation is.

For the fourth time:
When government collects "income" tax, where does the money collected come from?

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Illuminate The Delusions
lmao you havnt refuted anything i said and you just keep asking me questions so you can play "gotcha!" when my point is the same regardless(taxation is not theft) So again I ask, what is your point here? can you just clearly state what you are trying to get at or are you going to keep playing 21 questions?

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And I repeat what you fail to read:
My point; The point of my question asking; is to examine your (f)actual knowledge (or belief or opinion) regarding the topic of taxation that you so adamantly make a specific claim about. You are so sure of what taxation is not, yet you refuse to discuss what taxation is.

For the fifth time:
When government collects "income" tax, where does the money collected come from?

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Illuminate The Delusions lmao no i understand why you are asking questions, its your lame attempt to play "gotcha!". Like i stated above, you literally havnt refuted anything i said. My point stands the same, taxation is not theft. If you would like to make a claim as to why you FEEL its theft, im all ears. If you do not wish to make an argument for why taxation is theft then we have gone as far as we can here.

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Straight from Wikipedia:
Question dodging is a rhetorical technique involving the intentional avoidance of answering a question. This may occur when the person questioned either does not know the answer and wants to avoid embarrassment, or when the person is being interrogated or questioned in debate, and wants to avoid giving a direct response.

Perhaps English is not your first language...

Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?

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Illuminate The Delusions
Ahhh i see whats going in here. you cant refute anything i said so now you are attempting to claim some sort of victory because i wont answer your questions. cool story bro. Are you going to refute my orignal point that taxation is not theft? or are you going to keep avoiding it in favor of what ever it is your doing here?

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I'm really not interested in refuting your opinion.
Specifically your opinion about what taxation is not.

And I did tell you what I am doing here. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

What I am doing here is attempting to examine your (f)actual knowledge (or belief or opinion) regarding the topic of taxation that you so adamantly make a specific claim about. I am attempting to get to your (f)actual knowledge about, now, income taxation.

I am asking specific questions of you as to income taxation.
You keep dishonestly avoiding the subject of what taxation is with your  Red Herring Logical Fallacy of trying to return the focus to your opinion/belief of what taxation is NOT.

And you keep disingenuously demanding I disprove your opinion.
Okay. Your turn to disprove my opinion:
You are being a fucktard.

Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?
bro...

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Illuminate The Delusions
lmao fuck you, taxation is not theft, you consent by living in the society in wich you get taxed, if you dont like taxes no one is forcing you to stay. feel free to leave. You wont leave tho because society offers you too many perks, so you will stay and continue to pay your taxes like a good little slave 😉

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You keep posting your OPINION.
I keep asking you about facts.

Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?

And BTW, you have NOT disproven my opinion.

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Illuminate The Delusions "im realy not interested in refuting your opinion" ya no fucking shit i called that 24 hours ago lmao
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Yea! Progress.
Thank you for admitting that what you keep posting is your "opinion".

Does that mean you're not interested in refuting my opinion that you are being a fucktard?

Hmmm. Is it a fact that you are being a fucktard?

I wonder what evidence I can present to prove my opinion is a fact?

Just like I wonder what evidence you could present to prove your opinion is fact?

Getting back on track:
Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?

After about 3 days:

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LOF HOB?[/img]

After about 2 weeks

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Hey coward...
I asked you a question:
Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?

After about 3 weeks

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Hey coward...
I asked you a question:
Does the money collected as income tax by the government get taken from people's compensation for labor?
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